Is sex before premarital sex really sinful?

[TommySoda]

I do realize it is condemned in the bible at all cost but some part of me just feels it was meant for that time and culture and not us. The reason I’m saying this is because during biblical times most engagements were set up by the spouses families and they weren’t allowed to meet each other until they married. Clearly this isn’t the case anymore now since dating exists and parents no longer intrudes in their children’s dating life. What I’m getting at with this is, isn’t it possible it was FAR more easier to be celibate when you already had a planned engagement at a young age? In modern times most people don’t marry strangers and marriages are decided by them not their parents based off of class or benefits like biblical times. Most people don’t even marry until they’re WAY older.

 

[TommySoda]

I do realize it is condemned in the bible at all cost but some part of me just feels it was meant for that time and culture and not us. The reason I’m saying this is because during biblical times most engagements were set up by the spouses families and they weren’t allowed to meet each other until they married. Clearly this isn’t the case anymore now since dating exists and parents no longer intrudes in their children’s dating life. What I’m getting at with this is, isn’t it possible it was FAR more easier to be celibate when you already had a planned engagement at a young age? In modern times most people don’t marry strangers and marriages are decided by them not their parents based off of class or benefits like biblical times. Most people don’t even marry until they’re WAY older.

Also please excuse the title it should say “Is premarital sex really sinful?”

 

[Doug Melven]

If people would heed what God said in this case, there would be a lot fewer divorces.
When people have premarital sex it doesn't show the commitment they need to make a marriage work.

 

[St_Worm2]

I do realize it is condemned in the bible at all cost but some part of me just feels it was meant for that time and culture and not us. The reason I’m saying this is because during biblical times most engagements were set up by the spouses families and they weren’t allowed to meet each other until they married. Clearly this isn’t the case anymore now since dating exists and parents no longer intrudes in their children’s dating life. What I’m getting at with this is, isn’t it possible it was FAR more easier to be celibate when you already had a planned engagement at a young age? In modern times most people don’t marry strangers and marriages are decided by them not their parents based off of class or benefits like biblical times. Most people don’t even marry until they’re WAY older.

Hi TS, it seems pretty clear to me (IOW, that this passage concerning the will of God is intended for individual believers today as much as it was for those it was given to directly in the 1st Century).

St. Paul tells us:

1 Thessalonians 4
3 This is the will of God, your sanctification; that is, that you abstain from sexual immorality;
4 that each of you know how to possess his own vessel in sanctification and honor,
5 not in lustful passion, like the Gentiles who do not know God.​

And then he concludes with these thoughts (which are again, obviously, timeless):

7 God has not called us for the purpose of impurity, but in sanctification.
8 So, he who rejects this is not rejecting man but the God who gives His Holy Spirit to you.​

Yours and His,
David

 

[TommySoda]

Hi TS, it seems pretty clear to me (IOW, that this passage concerning the will of God is intended for individual believers today as much as it was for those it was given to directly in the 1st Century).

St. Paul tells us:

1 Thessalonians 4
3 This is the will of God, your sanctification; that is, that you abstain from sexual immorality;
4 that each of you know how to possess his own vessel in sanctification and honor,
5 not in lustful passion, like the Gentiles who do not know God.​

And then he concludes with these thoughts (which are again, obviously, timeless):

7 God has not called us for the purpose of impurity, but in sanctification.
8 So, he who rejects this is not rejecting man but the God who gives His Holy Spirit to you.​

Yours and His,
David

Hello David, a question I have is what exactly is sexual immorality? That’s a very vague statement which could mean a lot of things from rape to beastility. Is there any clear passage where premarital sex is included in “sexual immorality” if you don’t mind me asking?

 

[joshua 1 9]

The reason I’m saying this is because during biblical times

If we want to be a part of the priesthood, then we have to live a holy sanctified life. Actually we should disregard the opinions of anyone that does not take their priesthood serious. I believe the book of Leviticus applies to us today. Of course like everything we receive from Moses we need the Holy Spirit to be our Teacher and our Guide to show us how to apply the Bible to our life today. Each and every generation has to apply the Bible to their day and time.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

I do realize it is condemned in the bible at all cost but some part of me just feels it was meant for that time and culture and not us. The reason I’m saying this is because during biblical times most engagements were set up by the spouses families and they weren’t allowed to meet each other until they married. Clearly this isn’t the case anymore now since dating exists and parents no longer intrudes in their children’s dating life. What I’m getting at with this is, isn’t it possible it was FAR more easier to be celibate when you already had a planned engagement at a young age? In modern times most people don’t marry strangers and marriages are decided by them not their parents based off of class or benefits like biblical times. Most people don’t even marry until they’re WAY older.

So................it's like this, Tommy. Why do you need an answer to all of this? Are you, as a Christian, sleeping with your boyfriend and in need of something to allay your conscience about your constant failure to refrain from otherwise going against what you know are Christian mandates for morality within the Bible? I mean, there's a whole lot in your OP that puts up one of these , at least it does for me, sis.

 

[Tetra]

Hello David, a question I have is what exactly is sexual immorality? That’s a very vague statement which could mean a lot of things from rape to beastility. Is there any clear passage where premarital sex is included in “sexual immorality” if you don’t mind me asking?

That's an excellent question... in terms of premarital sex being defined as "sexual immorality", as far as I know it doesn't exist unless someone wants to do Biblical gymnastics.

That doesn't make it okay though. I do think there are other reasons to support why someone should desire to wait until marriage.

However, just so you know, you will not get an honest answer on this forum. The mods have made it clear simply stating your opinion means promotion of that opinion. According to the TOS, this would mean you couldn't state any opinion supporting anything other than abstinence prior to marriage.

 

[salt-n-light]

I do realize it is condemned in the bible at all cost but some part of me just feels it was meant for that time and culture and not us. The reason I’m saying this is because during biblical times most engagements were set up by the spouses families and they weren’t allowed to meet each other until they married. Clearly this isn’t the case anymore now since dating exists and parents no longer intrudes in their children’s dating life. What I’m getting at with this is, isn’t it possible it was FAR more easier to be celibate when you already had a planned engagement at a young age? In modern times most people don’t marry strangers and marriages are decided by them not their parents based off of class or benefits like biblical times. Most people don’t even marry until they’re WAY older.

YES ITS A SIN, GO TAKE A COLD SHOWER.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

That's an excellent question... in terms of premarital sex being defined as "sexual immorality", as far as I know it doesn't exist unless someone wants to do Biblical gymnastics.

However, just so you know, you will not get an honest answer on this forum. The mods have made it clear simply stating your opinion means promotion of that opinion. According to the TOS, this would mean you couldn't state any opinion supporting anything other than abstinence prior to marriage.

.... You, too!

 

[Tetra]

YES ITS A SIN.

Hmmm, may I ask where you read that in the Bible? I personally do not recall the Bible stating sex before marriage is a sin. Not that I'm promoting sex before marriage, just never seen that before.

 

[Apologetic_Warrior]

Hello David, a question I have is what exactly is sexual immorality? That’s a very vague statement which could mean a lot of things from rape to beastility. Is there any clear passage where premarital sex is included in “sexual immorality” if you don’t mind me asking?

The word in the Bible for "premarital sex" is "fornication". Search the Scriptures, find out what God thinks about it, though not the unpardonable, is does fit under the more general "sexual immorality".

 

[2PhiloVoid]

That's an excellent question... in terms of premarital sex being defined as "sexual immorality", as far as I know it doesn't exist unless someone wants to do Biblical gymnastics.

That doesn't make it okay though. I do think there are other reasons to support why someone should desire to wait until marriage.

However, just so you know, you will not get an honest answer on this forum. The mods have made it clear simply stating your opinion means promotion of that opinion. According to the TOS, this would mean you couldn't state any opinion supporting anything other than abstinence prior to marriage.

...I don't think we're ALL dishonest here, Tetra!

 

[Tetra]

.... You, too!

I updated my post after you quoted it. I think there are other reasons to support abstinence than the sexual immorality argument. I'm also saying this as someone who did wait until marriage.

 

[salt-n-light]

Hmmm, may I ask where you read that in the Bible? I personally do not recall the Bible stating sex before marriage is a sin. Not that I'm promoting sex before marriage, just never seen that before.

1 Corinthians 6:9-11
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

1 Corinthians 6:18-20 - Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.

1 Thessalonians 4:3-4
3 For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication: 4 That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour;

Its copy and paste, those are the ones I can recall, but its also because there's alot of verses. But yeah its a sin.

 

[Tetra]

...I don't think we're ALL dishonest here, Tetra!

Caught me!! Haha. I just mean someone with an alternate view will not be able to even state otherwise according to the TOS.

 

[seventysevens]

Rev21
But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the polluted, the murderers, the fornicators, the sorcerers, the idolaters, and all liars, their place will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death.’

1 Corinthians 6:9-11
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,
10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

sexual immorality is any type of sex outside of marriage - sex with animals - homosexuality/lesibian

fornication is sex outside of marriage

 

[Tetra]

1 Corinthians 6:9-11
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

My understanding is that it's not referring to sex before marriage. Fornication came to mean that later in the English language.

fornication | Origin and meaning of fornication by Online Etymology Dictionary

It's also why I think the NIV choose to simply translate it as "sexual immorality".

 

[2PhiloVoid]

I updated my post before you quoted it. I think there are other reasons to support abstinence than the sexual immorality argument. I'm also saying this as someone who did wait until marriage.

...coincidentally, I have to take a position just right of center, rather than left of center. And I say this as one who also waited until marriage ... kind of. In a certain kind of way.

 

[Tetra]

Rev21
But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the polluted, the murderers, the fornicators, the sorcerers, the idolaters, and all liars, their place will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death.’

1 Corinthians 6:9-11
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,
10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

sexual immorality is any type of sex outside of marriage - sex with animals - homosexuality/lesibian

fornication is sex outside of marriage

I think the meaning of the word fornication is in dispute, which is why people struggle with this question.

fornication | Origin and meaning of fornication by Online Etymology Dictionary