Proof that the ESV, NIV, NASB are "Catholic bibles"

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Will the Real Catholic Bibles Please Stand Up


Bible critics (none of whom believes that any Bible in any language IS the complete, inspired and 100% historically true words of God) often attack King James Bible believers for using a Bible with "Roman Catholic" roots. For example Doug Kutilek's “Is the King James Version a Roman Catholic Bible?”. Recently I was at a Calvinistic Christian Forum on Facebook and I got more than a couple of remarks like: “Well, we can thank the Catholic church for the King James Bible” or “you wouldn't have the KJV without the RCC. They sponsored Erasmus (RC scholar) who rushed the manuscripts which are the basis for the the KJV.”

Their argument goes something like this: the Textus Receptus Greek text was edited by Erasmus, the King James New Testament was based upon the Textus Receptus. Erasmus was a loyal Roman Catholic so the King James Bible has strong Catholic roots.

As usual, the KJB critics’ argument is misinformed, deeply biased and misapplied. Learn more about the man Erasmus and his theology here:

What About Erasmus?

The most important point to note is that what is called the Textus Receptus was NOT the basis for the Catholic Bibles, but rather for the Reformation Bibles like Luther’s German Bible, the French Olivetan, the Italian Diodati, the Spanish Reina Valera, the English Geneva Bible and of course the King James Holy Bible.

The King James Bible translators themselves did not even primarily use the Greek text of Erasmus for their magnificent translation, but rather the Greek texts of Stephanus and Theodore Beza, though all three are in basic agreement.

So, what exactly is the primary basis for such modern bibles as the NASB, NIV, RSV, ESV and Daniel Wallace’s NET versions etc? It’s is the United Bible Society’s ever changing and evolving “nothing is settled or sure” Greek text based primarily on the VATICANUS manuscript found in the Vatican library, and put out by a joint effort of Evangelicals and the Catholic Church! Hello? Is any body home? I like to call this ever changing Greek text used by many of today’s “No Bible is inerrant” crowd the Textus Corruptus.


King James Bible defender David Cloud writes: “It is also important to note that there is no comparison between the situation with Erasmus and what we find in the field of modern textual criticism and the modern Bible versions today. Erasmus edited the Greek New Testament on his own. He was not doing that work in any official capacity in the Catholic Church nor did he have Rome’s backing but rather was criticized for it and his work was condemned in the strongest terms. On the other hand, the Roman Catholic Church has accepted modern textual criticism and the modern Bible versions with open arms. In 1965, Pope Paul VI authorized the publication of a new Latin Vulgate, with the Latin text conformed to the United Bible Societies Greek New Testament (Michael de Semlyen, All Roads Lead to Rome, p. 201). In 1987 a formal agreement was made between the Roman Catholic Church and the United Bible Societies that the critical Greek New Testament will be used for all future translations, both Catholic and Protestant (Guidelines for International Cooperation in Translating the Bible, Rome, 1987, p. 5). Most of the translations produced by the United Bible Societies are “interconfessional,” meaning they have Roman Catholic participation and backing.” (David Cloud)

Guess which bible versions match the Catholic bibles today. Check out any modern Catholic bible version today like the St. Joseph New American Bible 1970 or the New Jerusalem bible 1985 and compare the following New Testament verses: Matthew 6:13 "For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen" (gone), all of verses Matthew17:21 (gone), Matthew 18:11 (gone), Matthew 23:14 (gone), Mark 9:44, 46 (gone); Mark 11:26 (gone), Mark 15:28 (gone), Most of Luke 9:55-56 (gone) Luke 17:36 (gone), Luke 23:17 (gone) John 5:4 (gone), Acts 8:37 (gone), Acts 15:34 (gone), Acts 24:6 (gone), Acts 28:29 (gone), Romans 16:24 (gone) and 1 John 5:7-8 missing are the words "in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth". Then check your modern versions like the NIV, ESV, RSV, NET, NASB and the Jehovah Witness version called "The New World Translation". Surprise! What’s missing? Why... it’s the same verses!

Luke 9:54-56 present an interesting case. In the King James Bible we read: "And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, EVEN AS ELIAS? But he turned, and rebuked them, AND SAID, YE KNOW NOT WHAT MANNER OF SPIRIT YE ARE OF. FOR THE SON OF MAN IS NOT COME TO DESTROY MEN'S LIVES, BUT TO SAVE THEM. And they went to another village." All the capital lettered words in these three verses are found in the Majority of all Greek texts, including A and C and are found in many ancient versions like the Syriac Pe[bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]ta, Curetonian, Palestinian, Harkelian, Georgian, Gothic, Coptic Sahidic and Boharic, Ethiopian and the Old Latin. They are also in the Modern Greek and the Modern Hebrew bibles as well as Wycliffe 1395, Tyndale 1525, Coverdale 1535, the Great Bible 1540, Matthew's Bible 1549, the Bishops' Bible 1568, the Geneva Bible 1587, the King James Bible, the French Martin 1744, French Ostervald 1996, Italian Diodati 1649 and New Diodati 1991, Luther's German Bible 1545 and 1951 German Schlachter, the Spanish Sagradas Escrituras 1569 and the Reina Valera 1909, 1995 and even the older Catholic bibles like the Douay-Rheims 1899 and the Douay of 1950.

The NASBs reveal their fickle nature in that when it first came out in 1963 they completely omitted all these words from the text, as also in the 1972 and 1973 editions. I have these NASBs right here in my study and all these words are omitted from their texts. Then in 1977 and again in 1995 they put them back in [but in brackets] indicating doubt as to their authenticity. What is happening here is that Vaticanus and Sinaiticus omit all these words, as do the Westcott-Hort and UBS Greek texts and so all these words are now omitted by such versions as the NIV, RSV, ESV, Holman Standard, the J.W. New World Translation, Daniel Wallace's NET version AND (you guessed it) the Catholic St. Joseph NAB 1970 and the New Jerusalem bible of 1985. As a result, these Catholic Connection versions read like the ESV - "...Lord, do you want us to tell fire to come down from heaven and consume them? But he turned and rebuked them. And they went on to another village."

By the way, ALL of 1 John 5:7 “the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost” are found in Wycliffe 1395, Tyndale 1525, Coverdale 1535, the Great Bible 1540, Matthew’s Bible (John Rogers) 1549, the Bishops’ Bible 1568, the Geneva Bible 1587, the King James Bible 1611, John Calvin’s translation, the French La Bible de Geneva 1669, the French Martin 1744, French Ostervald 1996, the Italian Diodati 1602, 1649, the New Diodati 1991, the Spanish Reina 1569, the Reina Valera of 1602, 1909, 1995, and the NKJV of 1982, plus a multitude of other foreign language Bibles. For more information on why these words are inspired Scripture see - 1 John 5:7 - Another King James Bible Believer

Guess why the UBS (United Bible Society) Greek texts are the basis for all these new versions? It's because Catholics and Evangelicals were united to produce this text. One of the 5 chief editors was the New Age Catholic Cardinal Carlos Martini, who believed god was in all men and in all religions. These are the "bibles" most modern Christians are using.

Modern versions like the ESV, NASB, NIV, RSV, NET and Jehovah Witness NWT are for the most part Catholic bibles, not Reformation bibles. They are headed in the wrong direction and getting worse, not better. As for the ESV, I believe it is for the most part just like the liberal RSV, of which the ESV is a revision. The ESV rejects even more whole verses than the NASB, NIV. The ESV omits Matthew 12:47 too, just like the Catholic New Jerusalem, but it is still in the NASB, NIV.

The ESV often rejects the Hebrew readings (as do the NASB, NIV, RSV, NET), and they have already come out with the 2nd ESV in 2007 which changed over 350 verses from the previous ESV of 2001. The so called "science" of textual criticism is a joke and a fool's game. If you want to see more concrete information about the ESV, check out this study I did on my own of this new version that is now beginning to grow in popularity. The NASB is rapidly disappearing from the scene and the ESVs are coming on. The shelf life of these modern versions is not very long.

The ESV - Another King James Bible Believer

For Proof that versions like the NASB, NIV, ESV all often reject the clear Hebrew readings and not even in the same places see these two articles I have put together by my own comparative studies. This is not empty theory and innuendo, but concrete facts you can see and verify for yourself. Because of the recent totally false accusations that the King James Bible is a Catholic influenced Bible, I decided to check out the readings of names and numbers found here in the first part of this study with the Catholic New Jerusalem bible of 1985. It is devastating for the modern version promoter to see where the New Jerusalem Catholic bible lands on these verses. Take a look.

NIV, NASB reject Hebrew - Another King James Bible Believer

NIV,NASB reject Hebrew2 - Another King James Bible Believer


The following short list is just a sampling of the divergent and confusing readings found among the contradictory modern bible versions. There are numerous other examples. Among these “details” are whether Jeremiah 27:1 reads Jehoiakim (Hebrew texts, RV, ASV, NKJV, KJB) or Zedekiah (RSV, NIV, NASB, ESV, NET, Holman, Catholic New Jerusalem 1985)

whether 2 Samuel 21:8 reads Michal (Hebrew texts, KJB, NKJV, RV, ASV) or Merab (RSV, NIV, NASB, ESV, NET, Holman, Catholic New Jerusalem)

or 70 (NASB, NKJV, RV, ASV, RSV, NRSV, Holman, KJB) being sent out by the Lord Jesus in Luke 10:1 or 72 (NIV, ESV, NET, Catholic New Jerusalem)

or in Matthew 18:22 does the Lord say to forgive your brother not “until 7 times, but unto 70 times 7 times” (= 490 times - KJB, RV, ASV, NASB, NKJV, RSV, ESV, ALL Greek texts) or 77 times (NRSV, NIV, Catholic New Jerusalem)

or the 7th day in Judges 14:15 (KJB, NKJV, RV, ASV) or the 4th day (RSV, ESV, NASB, NIV, NET, Catholic New Jerusalem)

Or Hannah taking young Samuel to the house of the LORD with THREE bullocks in 1 Samuel 1:24 (KJB, Hebrew texts, RV, ASV, JPS 1917, NKJV, Youngs, NET) or “A THREE YEAR OLD BULL: (LXX, Syriac RSV, ESV, NIV, NASB, Holman, Catholic New Jerusalem)

or God smiting 50,070 men in 1 Samuel 6:19 (KJB, RV, ASV, NASB, NET) or 70 men slain (RSV, NIV, NRSV, ESV, Catholic New Jerusalem), or “70 men- 50 chief men” (Young’s), or “70 MEN OUT OF 50,000 Holman Standard

or there being 30,000 chariots in 1 Samuel 13:5 (KJB, NKJV, RV, ASV, NASB, RSV, NRSV, ESV) or only 3000 (NIV, NET, Holman, Catholic New Jerusalem)

or 1 Samuel 13:1 Here we read: “Saul reigned ONE year; and when he had reigned TWO years over Israel, Saul chose him three thousand men of Israel.” reading - ONE/TWO years (NKJV, KJB, Geneva, Judaica Press Tanach), or 40/32 (NASB 1972-77) or 30/42 (NASB 1995, NIV), OR 30 years/ 40 years (NET) or _____years and.______and two years (RSV, NRSV, ESV, Catholic New Jerusalem), or even “32 years old...reigned for 22 years” in the 1989 Revised English Bible!

2 Samuel 15:7 “forty years” (KJB, Hebrew, Geneva, NKJV, NASB, RV) OR “four years” (NIV, RSV, ESV, NET, Catholic New Jerusalem)

or whether both 2 Samuel 23:18 and 1 Chronicles 11:20 read “chief of the THREE” (KJB, Hebrew texts, RV, ASV, NKJV, NRSV, Holman, NIV, NET, Holman, NET) or THIRTY from the Syriac (NASB, RSV, ESV, Catholic New Jerusalem)

or 2 Samuel 24:13 reading SEVEN years (KJB, Hebrew, ASV, NASB, NKJV, NET) or THREE years (LXX, NIV, RSV, NRSV, ESV, Holman, Catholic New Jerusalem)

or whether 1 Kings 4:26 reads 40,000 stalls of horses (Hebrew, KJB, RV, ASV, NASB, ESV, NKJV) or 4,000 stalls (NIV, NET, Catholic New Jerusalem)

or whether 1 Kings 5:11 reads 20 measures of pure oil (Hebrew texts, Geneva, KJB, ASV, RV, NASB, NRSV) or 20,000 (RSV, NIV, ESV, NET, LXX and Syriac, Catholic New Jerusalem)

or in 2 Chronicles 31:16 we read "males from THREE years old" (Hebrew texts, KJB, Geneva Bible, Wycliffe, LXX, Syriac, RV, ASV, RSV, NRSV, ESV, NIV, NKJV, Holman, NET) or "males from THIRTY years old" (NASB - ft. Hebrew “three”, Catholic New Jerusalem)

or where 2 Chronicles 36:9 reads that Jehoiachin was 8 years old when he began to reign (Hebrew texts, KJB, NASB, NKJV, RV, ASV, KJB, RSV, NRSV, ESV 2001 edition) or he was 18 years old (NIV, Holman, NET, ESV 2007 edition!!! and once again the Catholic New Jerusalem)

or that when God raised the Lord Jesus from the dead it is stated in Acts 13:33 “this day have I begotten thee” (KJB, NASB, NKJV, RV, RSV, NRSV, ESV) or “today I have become your Father” (NIV, Holman, NET, Catholic New Jerusalem).

The King James Bible is right, and the Bible critics are wrong, as always.

“He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.” Matthew 11:15

Will Kinney

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[Julian of York]

Very well put!
Another proof would seem to be that Tyndale, who did such a great translation that it was kept almost intact to become the KJV, was hounded by the Roman Catholics, as many others were, paying the price by death at a fiery stake. Surely they giggle pretty freely about such comments made by "modern" thinkers. I believe that the martyrs and those that died in Christ have some limited view of the goings on here.(What a torture and NOT my idea of eternal bliss if they could see EVERYTHING!) In Revelations,the martyrs ask "How long,oh Lord?" wondering when they will be avenged. "Even so, come, Lord Jesus."

With the sort of evident sponsorship of the KJV that history has shown us, sometimes with their very tortured bodies, I am sticking with the KJV. I do worship at a Reformed Baptist Church because of their emphasis on grace,sanctification, and holy living. My church uses the English Standard, which is very close to the KJV. I continue to read along from my KJV ,thank you very much.

Julian of York
PS Have you ever wondered what "Christian" scholars do ,if they are not interested so much in prayer,good works, or winning souls to Christ? I think they must find SOMETHING to prove their orthodoxy, their merit,etc...So they "adjust" the Word of God, or come up with foolish questions or theories (which we are commanded to avoid), or something to make a name for themselves. Very sad.

 

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Hi Julian. The Reformation bibles were based on the traditional texts; most modern versions like the NASB, NIV, ESV are based on the Catholic texts of Vaticanus. They are clearly "Catholic" bible versions. What is the English Standard version you mentioned? If it is what I think it is, it is NOT "very close" to the KJB.

Thanks,

Will K

 

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Johanine Comma.

The end.

 

[Unix]

End of...? There is, interestingly, a language-update of the 16th-century Douay-Rheims purchasable: http://stores.lulu.com/rheims, I have and might recommend, evaluating it right now, and it is comforting that this version has been around, why are there so many versions being made I have never really understood?

It is important to NOT have favourite verses (other than strictly for investigating these type of translation errors and de-programming)

I have been, during my earlier stay on CF in the mid 00's, + during 2011, buyinga a copy of and/or comparing such translations as:
Revolve
Swedish evaluation translation, I have a very rare copy of, from the end of 19th century
1963 Old Grail Psalms
80's NJPS I use
90's revision of NJPS Psalms
NOT GOOD one: Kenneth S Wuest The New Testament: An Expanded Translation
2011 NABRE I read often
1989 REB I read for example James often and looking for a few more books tio read from it, and I have translated James from English to Swedish, easy
2008 A separate Psalms translation of LXX to Swedish by a group of scholars Psaltaren enligt Septuaginta - Bok (9789175804118) | Bokus bokhandel - när du ska köpa böcker på nätet
My GF has a Latin bible, age and value of the Bible unknown and she's considering donating it to a library special archive for researcher. And yeah she reads Bible often whit me, not in Latin which neither of us know

I regret having bought such Bibles which neither I wanted to use, nor my parents wanted, and I regret having bought way too many protestant Bibles, luckily enough I didn't read them all that much except the local language ones

I use the Latin names and order of the books of the Bible, there are interesting discoverings to make and helps. Often I discard whole books in the Bible as being the Black bible
What I find anoying, is the verse numbering, it's dividing up too much, and the chapter divisions in the deuterocanon is also annoying or hard to get around at times

The most shameful ones are such as ESV and NIV, I would never even wanna talk to a person who ownes or uses those, I know what I am saying here and I have come to that conlusion each and every time. I don't understand why people use NRSV - it's so liberal and a Black bible, or why people accept the RSV because it put the stone rolling - it's not good that it came out back then in the 40's, 50's

 

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The last post reminds me of a conversation that took place on the internet some time back. It's basically "Every Man For Himself Bible Versionism", or as the Bible puts it "In those days there was no king in Israel; every man did that which was right in his own eyes." Judges 21:25

Which Version do you Use?

From the Internet

Rod Lawson I study from several different versions: the NASB-keyword study bible, ESV Study Bible, HCSB Apologetics Study Bible, and the KJV............for daily reading i usually use the ESV...


Casey D. Bell My main Bible is the Wide Margin Reference Black True Tone

On my desk I also have my leather bound Reformation SB as well as my Black True Tone ESVSB.

I also have the black journaling Bible, another black leather wide margin and a thinline I keep at my office.

I also like using the 1599 Geneva Bible (Ive got a hard back edition)

every now and then NIV, NLT, NASB, NKJ, AMP, KJ, and for fun The Message




Bob Hayton When I came out of KJV Onlyism, I found me an ESV. It made for a smooth transition. I really like the ESV Study Bible, personally. I also use the NASB for study, and like to check out the NET Bible footnotes and readings for study purposes too.



Will Kinney

Well, back when I was a Bible believer I only used the King James Bible, but now that I no longer believe in the infallibility of the Scriptures I sometimes use the NASB but once in awhile for a change of pace I pick up the NIV, and then if I am in the mood I'll go for my NKJV. Of course the old RSV is a pleasant read, and the Message is a real pick me upper too. But if you really want to get down and dirty then only "the original Hebrew and Greek" will do. The ESV is a "must have" version, but in a pinch the Amplified is sort of nice to have but when things get really tough I prefer the Cabbage Patch version and especially the Daffy Duck Bible

 

[ebia]

End of...? There is, interestingly, a language-update of the 16th-century Douay-Rheims purchasable: http://stores.lulu.com/rheims, I have and might recommend, evaluating it right now, and it is comforting that this version has been around, why are there so many versions being made I have never really understood?

because translation involves tradeoffs and judgement calls - its not something where there is one right answer.

I use the Latin names and order of the books of the Bible, there are interesting discoverings to make and helps. Often I discard whole books in the Bible as being the Black bible

what?

The most shameful ones are such as ESV and NIV, I would never even wanna talk to a person who ownes or uses those,

what an absurd thing to say.

I know what I am saying here and I have come to that conlusion each and every time. I don't understand why people use NRSV - it's so liberal

it's not especially liberal. It us supported by the best scholarship which makes it the most widely used by far in academic circles.

and a Black bible,

a what? Mine are green.

or why people accept the RSV because it put the stone rolling - it's not good that it came out back then in the 40's, 50's

you realize the RSV is Pope Benedict's preferred English bible translation?

 

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you realize the RSV is Pope Benedict's preferred English bible translation?

Well, I can't think of a better recommendation than that, can you?

 

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End of...?

KJV-Onlyism.

 

[CryptoLutheran]

What KJV-Onlyists don't understand is that God's one, true, SuperBible is the 1588 William Morgan Bible.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[ebia]

What KJV-Onlyists don't understand is that God's one, true, SuperBible is the 1588 William Morgan Bible.

-CryptoLutheran

:thumbup:

 

[brandplucked]

Originally Posted by CryptoLutheran

What KJV-Onlyists don't understand is that God's one, true, SuperBible is the 1588 William Morgan Bible.

-CryptoLutheran
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:thumbup:

So, is that your rebuttal? Is that how you "prove" the ESV, NIV, NASB are not Catholic bibles? Is that the best you have to give us? Come on. Think about is just a wee bit harder. I'm sure you must be able to come up with something just a tad more convincing than this. Let's see what you can come up with. Go ahead. Give it that ol' college try. OK?

Thanks,

Will K

 

[kiwimac]

It is the ONLY rebuttal something as unscriptural as KJV-Onlyism needs.

 

[ebia]

Originally Posted by CryptoLutheran What KJV-Onlyists don't understand is that God's one, true, SuperBible is the 1588 William Morgan Bible.

-CryptoLutheran


So, is that your rebuttal?

Not a rebuttal as much as a pointer to the absurdity of the whole OP, which has way too many logical fallacies to actually have a worthwhile substance to rebut.

 

[Unix]

because translation involves tradeoffs and judgement calls - its not something where there is one right answer.

All the most sold translations are unnecessary

it's not especially liberal.

It is said to be liberal. I have never read it but this information is from many sources

you realize the RSV is Pope Benedict's preferred English bible translation?

I don't think it is anymore?
Anyway REB, NABRE, and the linguistical update by Dr W... of Douay-Rheims Challoner rev., are the best. I waited for NABRE Deuterocanon and Old Testament since 2004

Another translation I also use, for some parts of Matthew and John, is TEV 3rd ed '71 and 4th ed '76.

 

[Touma]

If KJV is the only reliable bible, why didn't GOd just release it down in that format in the 1st century?

 

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The ESV, NIV, NASB are Catholic bible versions PART TWO

Once I posted the first part of this study showing undeniable proof that modern versions like the ESV, NIV, NASB are Catholic bibles, and man at one of the internet Christian clubs (who himself does not believe that any Bible is the inerrant words of God and has told us so) had this to say:

Originally Posted by HisServant :”I personally know many of the translators that worked on the NIV and the ESV.. to say that their translations were 'catholic bibles' would deeply offend them.”

To whom I responded: “As well it should! But the undeniable FACT is they ARE just like the Catholic bibles today. The New Testament texts are virtually IDENTICAL. You did read through the initial post, right?

You do realize that your UBS committee that makes up the underlying Greek text for the Catholic bibles is a joint effort between the Catholic church and apostate, unbelieving "protestants", right?

Just take a simple, easy to do look at the verses that are omitted in the N.T. of these modern "Catholic" bibles and then compare any modern Catholic bible in the N.T. = virtually the same.

Then go back and compare any Bible before this whole whack Westcott-Hort Catholicism loving group got together and compare how many of those verses are IN them. Real simple stuff anybody can do. It's right there in black and white and you guys are rebelling against the truth and huffing and crying about how "offended" you are. Well, you should be offended. That is what you deserve.”

This in turn led me to the Second Part of this study. It took me several hours of diligent work and study, but it was well worth it. Here is the INDISPUTABLE PROOF that these modern versions are virtually IDENTICAL to the modern Catholic bible versions. There is simply no way to get around this fact.

Here is how these modern “Evangelical” versions are in fact “Catholic” bibles.

ESV - English Standard Version 2001
NIV 1984, 2011
NASB - 1995
NJB - Catholic New Jerusalem bible - 1985

Matthew 12:47 - “Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.” (Omitted by RSV and ESV, New Jerusalem, but found in NIV, NASB, NKJV)

ALL these verses are omitted by the Catholic New Jerusalem bible 1985 AND by the RSV, ESV, NIV, NASB, NET etc.

Matthew 17:21- “Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.” (All omit)

Matthew 18:11 - “For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.” (All omit)

Matthew 23:14- “Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows’ houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.” (All omit)

Mark 7:16 - “If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.” (All omit_

Mark 9:44 - “Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.” (All omit)

Mark 9:46 - “Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.” (All omit)

Mark 11:26 - “But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespases.” (All omit)

Mark 15:28 - “And the scripture was fulfilled, which saith, And he was numbered with the transgressors.” (All omit)

Luke 17:36 - “Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.” (All omit)

Luke 23:17 - “For of necessity he must release one unto them at the feast.” (All omit)

John 5:4 - “For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had.” (All omit)

Acts 8:37 - “And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.” (All omit)

Acts 15:34 - “Notwithstanding it pleased Silas to abide there still.” (All omit)

Acts 24:6b to 8a - “and would have judged according to our law. But the chief captain Lysias came upon us, and with great violence took him away out of our hands, Commanding his accusers to come unto thee” (All omit)

Acts 28:29 -”And when he had said these words, the Jews departed, and had great reasoning among themselves.” (All omit)

Romans - 16:24 “The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.” (All omit)

I John 5:7-8 - omits the words: “in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth” (All omit)


NIV - Portions of Verses Omitted

Matthew
5:27 by them of old time - (ALL omit)
5:44 bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you
5:44 despitefully use you, and (All omit)
6:13 For Thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen. (All omit)
15:8 draweth nigh unto Me with their mouth, and (All omit)
19:9 and whoso marrieth her which is put away- doth commit adultery (All omit)
19:20 from my youth (All omit)
20:7 and whatsoever is right, that shall ye receive (All omit)
20:16 for many be called, but few chosen (All omit)
20:22 and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with (All omit)
20:23 and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with (All omit)
22:13 and take him away (All omit)
23:4 and grievous to be borne (All omit)
25:13 wherein the Son of man cometh (All omit)
26:3 and the scribes (All omit)
26:60 yet found they none (All omit)
27:35 that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, They parted My garments among them, and upon MY vesture did they cast lots (All omit)
28:2 from the door (All omit)
28:9 as they went to tell His disciples (All omit)

Mark
1:14 Of the kingdom (All omit)
1:42 as soon as He had spoken (All omit)
3:5 whole as the other (All omit)
3:15 to heal sicknesses, and (All omit)
6:11 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city (All omit)
6:33 and came together unto Him (All omit)
6:36 for they have nothing to eat (All omit)
7:2 they found fault (All omit)
7:8 as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do (All omit)
8:9 they that had eaten (All omit)
8:26 nor tell it to any in the town (All omit)
9:38 and he followeth not us (All omit)
9:45 into the fire that never shall be quenched (All omit)
9:49 and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt (All omit)
10:7 and cleave to his wife (All omit)
10:21 take up the cross (All omit)
10:24 them that trust in riches (All omit)
11:8 and strawed them in the way (All omit)
11:10 in the name of the Lord (All omit)
11:23 whatsoever he saith (All omit)
12:29 of all the commandments (All omit)
12:30 this is the first commandment (All omit)
12:33 and with all the soul (All omit)
13:11 neither do ye premeditate (All omit)
13:14 spoken of by Daniel the prophet (All omit)
14:19 and another said, Is it I? (All omit)
14:27 because of Me this night (All omit)
14:70 and thy speech agreeth thereto (All omit)
15:3 but He answered nothing (All omit)

Luke
1:28 blessed art thou among women (All omit)
1:29 when she saw him (All omit)
2:42 up to Jerusalem (All omit)
4:4 but by every word of God (All omit)
4:8 Get thee behind Me, Satan (All omit)
4.18 to heal the brokenhearted (All omit)
5:38 and both are preserved (All omit)
7:31 And the Lord said (All omit)
8:43 had spent all her living upon physicians (All omit)
8:45 and they that were with Him (All omit)
8:45 and sayest thou, Who touched -Me? (All omit)
8:48 be of good comfort (All omit)
8:54 put them all out, and (All omit)
9:10 a desert place (All omit)
9:54 even as Elias did? (All omit)
9:55 and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of (All omit)
9:56 For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them (All omit)
11:2 Which art in heaven (All omit)
11:2 Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth (All omit)
11:4 but deliver us from evil (All omit)
11:11 bread of any of you ... will he give him a stone ? -- or if he ask (All omit)
11:44 scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites (All omit)
11:54 that they might accuse Him (All omit)
12:39 he would have watched, and (All omit)
17:9 him? I trow not (All omit)
18:24 that he was very sorrowful (All omit)
19:45 therein, and them that bought (All omit)
20:13 when they see him (All omit)
20:23 Why tempt ye Me? (All omit)
20:30 took her to wife, and he died childless (All omit)
22:31 And the Lord said (All omit)
22:64 they struck Him on the face (All omit)
22:68 Me, nor let Me go (All omit)
23:23 and of the chief priests (All omit)
23:38 written . . . in letters of Greek, and Latin, and Hebrew (All omit)
24:1 and certain others with them (All omit)
24:42 and of an honeycomb (All omit)
24:46 and thus it behoved (All omit)

John
1:27 is preferred before me (All omit)
3:1 Which is in heaven (All omit)
3:15 should not perish, but (All omit)
5:3 waiting for the moving of the water (All omit)
5:16 and sought to slay Him (All omit)
6:11 to the disciples, and the disciples (All omit)
6:22 that one whereinto. His disciples were entered (All omit)
6:47 on Me (All omit)
8:9 being convicted by their own conscience (All omit)
8:9 even unto the last (All omit)
8:10 and saw none but the woman (All omit)
8:10 those thine accusers? (All omit)
8:59 going through the midst of them, and so passed by (All omit)
10:26 as I said unto you (All omit)
11:41 where the dead was laid (All omit)
12:1 which had been dead (All omit)
16:16 because I go to the Father (All omit)
17:12 in the world (All omit)
19:16 and led Him away (All omit)

 

[brandplucked]

Acts
1:14 “and supplication” (All omit)
2:30 according to the flesh, He would raise up Christ (All omit)
3:6 "rise up and" (All omit)
3:11 the lame man which was healed (All omit)
3:22 "unto the fathers" (All omit)
4:24 "thou art God" (All omit)
6:3 "Holy" (All omit)
7:30 "of the Lord" (All omit)
7:32 "of God" two of the four times (All omit)
7:37 "the Lord your" and "Him shall ye hear" (All omit)
8:18 "Holy" (All omit)
9:5 "the Lord said" (All omit)
9:5 it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks (All omit)
9:6 And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt Thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him (All omit)
10:6 he shall tell thee what thou oughtest to do (All omit)
10:11- knit (All omit)
10:12 and wild beasts (All omit)
10:21 which were sent unto him froth Cornelius (All omit)
10:30 omit - fasting (All omit)
10:32 who, when he cometh, shall speak unto thee, (All omit)
15:18 unto God are all His, works (All omit)
15:24 saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law (All omit)
17:5 "which believed not" (All omit)
17:26 "blood" (All omit)
18:21 1 must by all means keep this feast that cometh in Jerusalem (All omit)
20:24 "with joy" (All omit)
20:25 "of God" (All omit)
21:8 that were of Paul's company (All omit)
21:22 the multitude must needs come together (All omit)
21:25 that they observe no such thing, save only (All omit)
22:9 and were afraid (All omit)
22:26 "Take heed" (All omit)
23:9 let us not fight against God (All omit)
23:15 "tomorrow" (All omit)
23:30 "the Jews" (All omit)
23:30 "Farewell" (All omit)
24:15 "of the dead" (All omit)
24:26 that he might loose him (All omit)
25:6 change "ten days" to "8 or 10 days" (ESV, NIV, NASB, New Jerusalem bible ALL agree)
26:30 And when he had thus spoken (All omit)
28:1 change "they knew" to "we knew" (All change it)
28:16 the centurion delivered the prisoners to the captain of the guard (All omit)

Romans
1:16 of Christ (All omit)
8:1 who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit (All omit)
9:28 in righteousness. because a short work (All omit)
10:15 preach the gospel of peace (All omit)
11:6 But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work (All omit)
13:9 Thou shalt not bear false witness (All omit)
14:6 he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it (All omit)
14:21 or is offended, or is made weak (All omit)
15:24 1 will come to you (All omit)
15:29 of the gospel (All omit)

I Corinthians
6:20 and in your spirit, which are God's (All omit)
10:28 for the earth is the Lord's and the fulness thereof (All omit)
11:24 Take, eat (All omit)

Galatians
3:1 that ye should not obey the truth (All omit)

Ephesians
3:9 by Jesus Christ (All omit)
3:14 of our Lord Jesus Christ (All omit)
5:30 of His flesh, and of His bones (All omit)

Philippians
3:16 by the same rule, let us mind the same thing (All omit)

Colossians
1:2 and the Lord Jesus Christ (All omit)
1:14 through His blood (All omit)


I Thessalonians
1:1 from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ (All omit)

I Timothy
3:3 not greedy of filthy lucre (All omit)
6:5 from such withdraw thyself (All omit)
6:7 it is certain (All omit)

Hebrews
2:7 and didst set him over the works of Thy hands (All omit)
3:6 firm unto the end (All omit)
7:21 after the order of Melchisedec (All omit)
8:12 and their iniquities (All omit)
10:30 saith the Lord (All omit)
10:34 in heaven (All omit)
11:11 was delivered of a child (All omit)
11:13 and were persuaded of them (All omit)
12:20 or thrust through with a dart (All omit)

I Peter
1:22 through the Spirit (All omit)
4:14 on their part He is evil spoken of, but on your part He is glorified (All omit)

2 Peter
1:21 omit "holy" from "holy men of God" (All agree)
2:17 "for ever" omitted from "mist of darkness is reserved for ever" (All agree)
3:10 in the night (All omit)

I John
4:3 Christ is come in the flesh (All omit)
5:13 and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God (All omit)

Revelation

1:8 the Beginning and the Ending (All omit)
1:11 I am Alpha and Omega, the First and the Last (All omit)
1:11 which are in Asia (All omit)
5:14 Him that liveth for ever and ever (All omit)
11:1 and the angel stood (All omit)
11: 17 and art to come (All omit)
14:5 before the throne of God (All omit)
15:2 over his mark (All omit)
21:24 of them which are saved (All omit)


Difference that Affect the Meaning

Matthew
1:25 Omit: her firstborn (ESV, NIV, NASB, Catholic New Jerusalem bible ALL AGREE)
5:22 Omit: without a cause (All agree)
6:1 righteousness, in place of, alms (All agree)
6:4 Omit: openly
6:6 Omit: openly
6:18 Omit: openly
16:3 Omit: 0 ye hypocrites (All agree)
17:20 little faith, in place of, unbelief (All agree)
19:16 Omit: Good (All agree
19:17 Why askest thou Me concerning the good? One is good, in place of, Why callest thou Me good? There is none good but one, that is, God - (All agree)
23:19 Omit: fools and (All omit)
24:7 Omit: and pestilences; (All omit)
24:36 Add: neither the Son (All ADD)
24:48 Omit: his coming (All omit)
25:31 Omit: holy (All omit)
26:28 Omit: new (All omit)
26:59 Omit: and elders (All omit)
27:34 wine, in place Of, vinegar (All agree)
27:42 Omit: If (All omit)
27:64 Omit: by night (All omit)

Mark
1:2 Isaiah the prophet, in place of' the prophets. (All agree)
2:17 Omit: to repentance (All omit)
3:29 sin, in place of, damnation (All agree)
4:11 Omit: to know (All omit)
9:29 Omit: and fasting (All omit)
12.4 Omit: they cast stones (All omit)
12:4 Omit: sent him away (All omit)
13:8 Omit: and troubles (All omit)
13:33 Omit: and pray (All omit)
14:22 Omit: eat (this is my body) (All omit “eat”)
14:24 Omit: new (new testament) (All omit “new”)
14:51 Omit: the young men (All omit)

Luke
2:22 their or them, in stead of, her (purification) (All agree)
6:48 because it was well built, in place of, for it was
founded upon a rock (All agree)
7:28 Omit: prophet (All omit)
9:35 chosen, in place of, beloved (Son) (All agree)
11:53 went out thence, in place of, said these things unto them (All agree)
14:5 son, in place of, ass (All agree)
17:3 Omit: against thee (All omit)
21:36 “may have strength”, in place of, “may be accounted worthy” (All agree)
23:15 “he sent Him back to us”, in stead of, “I sent you to him” (All agree)
23:45 failed (or eclipsed) in place of, “the sun was darkened” (All agree)

John
1:51 Omit: Hereafter (All omit)
6:65 Omit: My (Father) (All omit)
6:69 “the Holy One of God”, in place of, “that Christ, the Son
of the living God” (All agree)
8:28 Omit: My (Father) (All omit)
9:4 We, in place of, I (All agree)
12:47 keep, in place of, believe (All agree)
14:28 Omit: My (Father) (All agree)
16: 10 Omit: my (Father) (All agree)
17:17 Omit: Thy (truth) (All agree)
20:17 Omit: My (Father) (All agree_

Acts
3:20 foreordained or predestined, in stead of, “before was preached” (All agree)
6:8 ”full of grace”, in stead of “full of faith” (All agree)
10:30 Omit: fasting (All omit)
15:23 Omit: after this manner (All omit)
15:24 omit “saying, ye must be circumcised, and keep the law” (All omit)
17:5 Omit: which believed not (All omit)
17:26 Omit: blood (All omit)
18:5 ”was occupied with the word” in place of, “was pressed in the spirit” (All agree)
18:17 Omit: the Greeks (All omit)
18:21 omit “I must by all means keep this feast that cometh in Jerusalem: but” (All omit)
23:15 Omit: to morrow (All omit)
25:16 Omit: to die. (All omit)

Romans
9:32 Omit: (works) of the law (All omit)

1 Corinthians
7 :5 Omit: fasting (All omit)
7:39 Omit: by the law (All omit)
11:24 Omit: (body which is) broken (All omit)
11:29 Omit: unworthily (All omit)
14:38 he is ignored, in place of, let him be ignorant (All agree)

2 Corinthians
5:17 Omit: all things (are become new) (All agree)
12:19 Long ago, in place of, Again (All agree)

Galatians
5:19 Omit: Adultery (All agree)
5:21 Omit: murders (All agree)

Ephesians
3:9 administration, in place of, fellowship (All agree)
4:9 Omit: first (All agree)
5:9 light, in place of, Spirit (All agree)

Philippians
4:23 your spirit, in place of, you all (All agree)

Colossians
2:18 Omit: not (All agree; totally changes the meaning)

1 Thessalonians
2:15 Omit: their own (prophets) (All agree)
3:2 Omit: fellow labourer (All agree)

I Timothy
1:17 Omit: wise (God) (All agree)
3:3 omits “not greedy of filthy lucre” (All agree)
4:10 strive, in place of, suffer reproach (All agree)
4:12 omits “spirit” (All agree)
5:4 Omit: good (All agree)
5:16 Omit: “man or” (woman) (All agree)
6:19 “life that is”, in place of, “eternal life” (All agree)

2 Timothy
1:11 Omit: of the Gentiles (All agree)

Titus
1:4 Omit: mercy (All omit)

Philemon
v. 2 sister, in place of, beloved (All agree)


Hebrews
10:34 “with prisoners” in place of, “of me in my bonds” (All agree_

James
1:19 Ye know or Remember, in place of, Wherefore (All agree)
2:20 idle or useless, in place of, dead (All agree)

4:4 Omit: “adulterers and” (All agree)
4:14 “You are”, in place of, “It is” (All agree)
5:16 “confess your sins”, in place of, “faults” (All agree)

1 Peter
2:2 Add: “unto salvation” (All agree)
3:8 humble minded or “self effacing”, in stead of, “courteous” (All agree)
3:13 zealous or determined, in place of, “followers” (All agree)
3:16 Omit: as of evildoers (All agree)
4:1 Omit: (suffered) for us (All agree)
5:5 Omit: be subject (All agree)
5:11 Omit: glory and (All agree)

2 Peter
1:21 men from God, in place of, holy men of God (All agree)
2:17 Omit: for ever (All agree)
3:2 “of your (apostles)” in stead if “us the (apostles)”

I John
2:20 “You all know”, in place of, “ye know all things” (All agree)

2 John
v. 9 “whosoever goes before”, in place of, “whosoever transgresseth” (All agree)

Jude
v. 1 beloved, or dear, in stead of “them that are sanctified” (All agree)
v. 19 Omit: themselves (All agree)
v. 25 Omit: wise (All agree)
v. 25 Add: “before the whole age” or “before all ages” (All agree)

Revelation
1:6 a kingdom, in place of, kings and (All agree)
2:9 Omit: “thy works and” (All agree)
2:13 Omit: “thy works and” (All omit)
2:15 “in like manner” or “and among you too”, in place of, “which thing I hate” (All agree)
2:20 Omit: a few things (All omit)
5:10 them, in place of, us (All agree)
5:16 a kingdom, in place of, kings (All agree)
5:10 they shall reign, in place of, we shall reign (All agree)
8:13 eagle, in place of, angel (All agree)
12:12 Omit: the inhabiters (All omit)
13:10 Omit: leadeth (All omit)
13:10 is to be killed, in place of, killeth (All agree)
15:3 nations, in place of, saints - (All agree)
16:17 Omit: of heaven (All omit)
19:1 Omit: and honour (All omit)
19:17 the great supper of God, in place of, the supper of the great God (All agree)
21:3 the throne, in place of, heaven (All agree)
22:14 wash their robes, in stead of, do His commandments (All agree)
22:19 tree, in place of, book (of life) (All agree)

Anybody who says versions like the ESV, NIV, NASB are not “Catholic” bibles is either blind, willingly ignorant or stupid.


Will Kinney

 

[ebia]

"Catholics believe in a Trinitarian God, therefore anyone who believes in a Trinitarian God is Catholic."

 

[Unix]

ebia, I would rather not point out what I believe in because I don't want to argue much
I believe in the Ancient Assyrian Catholic Church of the East: it doesn't believe in Trinitarianism. A monk translated the Bible from original languages to a European language (codex argenteus): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wulfila so no, "non-trinitarianism" is not without adherents since the first centuries

"Catholics believe in a Trinitarian God, therefore anyone who believes in a Trinitarian God is Catholic."