The Miracle of the Holy Fire

[Philothei]

It happens for thousands of years.... Always at the same place by the same person... or the same Hierarch; The Patriarch of Jerusalem.

Many doubted many have tried to solve it! No one has been successful enough.....

The Miracle of the Holy Fire in Jerusalem....

Not an ordinary light; not an ordinary fire.... It does not burn for about 20 minutes after it is lit....

YouTube - The Miracle of the Sacred Fire, Church of the Holy Sepulchre at Jerusalem

Miracle of Holy Fire - one of the greatest miracle of God

 

[corvus_corax]

Yeaaaahhhhh....
Years ago my dad and I did a fire act.
When I was 13 years old, I was passing my hand through a torch flame (just like in the vid you posted), I was passing my face through a torch flame (just like in the vid you posted), I was eating flaming raisins (unlike the vid you posted), and I was inserting flaming torches into my mouth (again, quite unlike the vid you posted)
What these people are doing ain't a miracle, it is simple physics (and I noticed that no one in your vid stuck a flaming torch into his or her mouth like I have, or ate flaming food)

I can stick fire in my mouth without being injured, I can chew, eat and swallow flaming raisins without being injured!

Goddidit????



Absolutely not, just simple physics
Pure and simple.


But you are, perhaps, trying to explain a different miracle, other than passing your hand or face through a torch fire.

I trust your vid is not the end-all-be-all of this supposed "miracle"

 

[sbvera13]

When will someone post a "miracle video" of God healing an amputee or something remarkable, instead of a parlor trick?

Really, if that's your idea of miracle, your idea of God must make him very tiny indeed.

 

[Philothei]

I do not think that physics would apply to this...many scientists have tried to explain it...but it is not phosphorus and stuff and it turns into regular fire after 20 minutes...People doing the "demonstration" are random.... My friend has witnessed this and did testify to it that later on the same fire starts to actually burn you.... His candle had no "chemicals" in it.... I trust the testimony of so many people who attend this miracle. And like I said it is something the scientists would have time ago brought forth .... the truth about this.

 

[Nabobalis]

I've done that with a Bunsen burner when I was younger.

 

[pgp_protector]

You brought your vid into the Physical & Life Sciencessection, be ready to defend it.

I do not think that physics would apply to this.

Why, if physics explains it without issue?

..many scientists have tried to explain it...

Who & Where have they tried to explain it?

but it is not phosphorus and stuff and it turns into regular fire after 20 minutes...

What's not regular about it now ?
Everything shown can be done with "regular" fire (Whatever you mean by regular isn't explained)

People doing the "demonstration" are random....

And ???
Random people walk over coals of fire all the time in other religions, are you giving that credit also?

My friend has witnessed this and did testify to it that later on the same fire starts to actually burn you....

Video?
All fire will burn if held under your hand long enough.
Did he already evaporate any moisture on his hand during the first round of passing through the fire.

His candle had no "chemicals" in it....

Then it didn't exist, everything is made of chemicals.

I trust the testimony of so many people who attend this miracle. And like I said it is something the scientists would have time ago brought forth .... the truth about this.

Could it be that you've ignored any explanation ?

 

[Split Rock]

It happens for thousands of years.... Always at the same place by the same person... or the same Hierarch; The Patriarch of Jerusalem.

Many doubted many have tried to solve it! No one has been successful enough.....

The Miracle of the Holy Fire in Jerusalem....

Not an ordinary light; not an ordinary fire.... It does not burn for about 20 minutes after it is lit....

I guess this must be sacred fire too:
YouTube - Amora Fire Eater / Belly Dancer

This guy claims to have taught 2,000 people how do do the same and more... must be sacred fire, right?
YouTube - Fire Eating Demonstration

 

[Philothei]

You still have not shown exactly HOW the physics explain it .... And when I say chemicals I am talking about a substance that creates a light that it might no burn but irritates the skin. Nice twist to my words Pg protector haha...thanks you gave me a giggle or two...

These people are not con artists ....It is impossible for 'regular' folk to be that ... The hierarch friend of mine who was a witness to this was no "con" artist. Just a believer... If you consider faith to be a 'con artistry" maybe then you can start believing too ???

 

[pgp_protector]

You still have not shown exactly HOW the physics explain it ....

Miracle of the Orthodox Church: "Holy Fire" Every Easter in Jerusalem
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In Russian Áëàãîäàòíûé îãîíü - âçãëÿä ñêåïòèêà

And when I say chemicals I am talking about a substance that creates a light that it might no burn but irritates the skin.

Well paper & wax fit that description (I.E. Candles)
I can pass my hand through candle flames, presto logs, ect without getting burned. (and so can other people)

Nice twist to my words Pg protector haha...thanks you gave me a giggle or two...

No twisting.

These people are not con artists ....[.quote]
I never said that the pilgrims / visitors they con artist

It is impossible for 'regular' folk to be that ...

No it's not, or are you saying that all the people that do it every day are not normal / regular?

The hierarch friend of mine who was a witness to this was no "con" artist. Just a believer... If you consider faith to be a 'con artistry" maybe then you can start believing too ???

And once again I say are you believing what firewalkers / coal walkers are saying then because they believe it?

 

[Philothei]

Video?
All fire will burn if held under your hand long enough.
Did he already evaporate any moisture on his hand during the first round of passing through the fire.

My friend has a beard he held the fire under his chin for a while I think anyone holding a fire on hair will catch fire immediately I know as during Easter I have had my hair burnt by someone's candle....

This fire DID NOT burn ...
Video:


YouTube - ΤΟ ΑΓΙΟ ΦΩΣ

This is a blurry video since it is old but you can see the 'ball of fire" that comes down. The candles that are used are random... My friend had brought his from the US he did not purchase it there...and all candles used are different... Also phosphorus can irritate the skin and I am very well aware it is used by entertaintment people....

 

[Philothei]

The people who had their own candles do testify to that...they ain't no con artists

You make it sound all faithful are part of con artistry and many go every year with this attitude to come back believers. I know Greek atheists who do come back believers cause they experience this miracle.... No need to explain why it is obvious. They even have searched and checked the patriarch who goes in...Anyone is invited to search the place where the Patriarch goes while this miracle takes place.... Everything is checked. The Jews make sure that there is no foul play here.... You can find the information in the site i posted...If you all find some time to read

 

[Split Rock]

The people who had their own candles do testify to that...they ain't no con artists

You make it sound all faithful are part of con artistry and many go every year with this attitude to come back believers. I know Greek atheists who do come back believers cause they experience this miracle.... No need to explain why it is obvious. They even have searched and checked the patriarch who goes in...Anyone is invited to search the place where the Patriarch goes while this miracle takes place.... Everything is checked. The Jews make sure that there is no foul play here.... You can find the information in the site i posted...If you all find some time to read

The videos I showed you are not by con-artists. The point is that passing a flame over a skin surface will not burn it, especially if there is moisture on the skin. That is why people can "swallow fire." It is not a miracle. I will believe in a miracle if they keep their hand in the fire for a full minute. We don't see that in your videos, do we? Why not?

 

[Split Rock]

Is this a miracle too?

YouTube - The Miracle of Lord Ganesha

 

[TerranceL]

Since God has enough free time to do parlor tricks with fire do you think he could start doing something about world hunger and world peace?

 

[Philothei]

God is not going to do something that he has put us forth to do such as take care of our poor, hungry etc. I think he made that clear in the Gospel. And plus that is escaping the question at hand..That is not the OP.

Second yeah I saw people putting the fire over their faces ...I would think their eyelids, eyebrows and facial hair burnt and I did not see that either

 

[sbvera13]

God is not going to do something that he has put us forth to do such as take care of our poor, hungry etc.

So God is a "Do as I say, not as I do" kind of guy, eh?

As explained, pretty much everyone here has done that fire trick. Whether at a campfire or messing around in a barbeque, it's extremely easy to do. I learned it when I was 5 or 6 hanging around my older brother's Boy Scout campouts. There's nothing miraculous about it, other then perhaps the gullibility of people that think it's a miracle.

 

[Split Rock]

God is not going to do something that he has put us forth to do such as take care of our poor, hungry etc. I think he made that clear in the Gospel. And plus that is escaping the question at hand..That is not the OP.

Second yeah I saw people putting the fire over their faces ...I would think their eyelids, eyebrows and facial hair burnt and I did not see that either

Would you care to explain why they did not keep their hand or face in the fire for a full minute, if the flames were, as you claim, cool?

 

[pgp_protector]

Would you care to explain why they did not keep their hand or face in the fire for a full minute, if the flames were, as you claim, cool?

Well that would be tempting / testing the Lord

 

[Nostromo]

many scientists have tried to explain it..

You nicely avoided the question earlier... who has tried to explain it and failed?

I didn't see anything in that video that I haven't done myself, and I have not practiced fire tricks.

If that's one of the greatest miracles of God, He's going to be awestruck when he sees my laptop.

 

[Philothei]

Would you care to explain why they did not keep their hand or face in the fire for a full minute, if the flames were, as you claim, cool?

Even if I posted you a video with them holding their hand for a minute you would say it was fake so what is the point?