Fruits of the Spirit -- Catholic and Protestant

[Spiderlashes]

Are these generally strssed in the Catholic tradition? Not sure. My Protestant friends seem to discuss them more than I've ever heard any Catholic discuss them.

Anyway, Protestants refer to 9 fruits: love/charity, joy, peace, patience/long suffering, kindness, faithfulness, goodness, gentleness and self control. Catholics apparently have 3 more: modesty, continence and chastity. Where do these come from? The first 9 are written in Galatians 5:22.. Are the other 3 written in some particular Biblical translation? I don't have access to a Catholic version Bible (deuterocanon) at the moment. Could someone tell me where?

Would not the fruits "self control" and "goodness" cover these 3 additional? And what exactly is the difference between continence and chastity?

If these 3 extra fruits were included in the scripture at some point and removed, what might be the reason?

 

[faithfulchild]

Sorry I can't help you, however I will give you this link for an online bible. You have a choice of Bibles. Hope this helps somewhat.

http://www.biblegateway.com/

 

[Ave Maria]

As for the difference between chastity and continence, lets look at the dictionary.

chas·ti·ty (ch

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n. 1. The condition or quality of being pure or chaste.
2. a. Virginity.
b. Virtuous character.
c. Celibacy.

con·ti·nence (k

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ns) n. 1. Self-restraint; moderation.
2. Voluntary control over urinary and fecal discharge.
3. Partial or complete abstention from sexual activity. See Synonyms at abstinence.

It seems to me that continence can mean self-restraint or moderation in general while chastity refers to sexual self-restraint and purity. I hope this helps.

 

[colleen]

Catholics actually have to lists: the gifts of the Holy Spirit, the fruits of the Holy Spirit

From the CCC:
III. THE GIFTS AND FRUITS OF THE HOLY SPIRIT

1830 The moral life of Christians is sustained by the gifts of the Holy Spirit. These are permanent dispositions which make man docile in following the promptings of the Holy Spirit.

1831 The seven gifts of the Holy Spirit are wisdom, understanding, counsel, fortitude, knowledge, piety, and fear of the Lord. They belong in their fullness to Christ, Son of David.109 They complete and perfect the virtues of those who receive them. They make the faithful docile in readily obeying divine inspirations.

Let your good spirit lead me on a level path.110
For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God . . . If children, then heirs, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ.111

1832 The fruits of the Spirit are perfections that the Holy Spirit forms in us as the first fruits of eternal glory. The tradition of the Church lists twelve of them: "charity, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, generosity, gentleness, faithfulness, modesty, self-control, chastity."112

 

[Rhamiel]

I have heard them talked about but not as much as our protestant brothers and sisters talk about them

 

[Adammi]

1832 The fruits of the Spirit are perfections that the Holy Spirit forms in us as the first fruits of eternal glory. The tradition of the Church lists twelve of them: "charity, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, generosity, gentleness, faithfulness, modesty, self-control, chastity."

I've wondered this myself. I'm not one to bash Catholics for having more than the Protestant nine (the more fruit the merrier), but I would like to know how generosity, modesty, and chastity came to be included in the traditional Catholic version of the fruits of the spirit. Like I said, I'm not saying that these aren't fruits or that they shouldn't be included, but why do Protestants not typically list them along with the nine of Galatians 5?

 

[AMDG]

I've wondered this myself. I'm not one to bash Catholics for having more than the Protestant nine (the more fruit the merrier), but I would like to know how generosity, modesty, and chastity came to be included in the traditional Catholic version of the fruits of the spirit. Like I said, I'm not saying that these aren't fruits or that they shouldn't be included, but why do Protestants not typically list them along with the nine of Galatians 5?

There are two kinds of gifts of the Spirit. The first kind are intended for sanctification. They are wisdom (enables the person to value the things of heaven), understanding (enables the person to grasp the truths of religion), counsel (helps one to see and correctly choose the best practical aproach in serving God), fortitude (steels a peron's resolve in overcoming obstacles to living the faith), knowledge (helps one to see the path to follow and the dangers to one's faith), piety (fills a person with confidence in God and an eagerness to serve Him), and fear of the Lord (makes a person keenly aware of God's sovereignty and the respect due Him and His laws.)

The second kind of gifts called charisms are granted to help others. In Corinthians 12:6-11, nine charisms are mentioned. They are: gift of speaking with wisdom, gift of speaking with knowledge, faith, healing, miracles, prophecy, discerning of spirits, tongues and interpreting speeches.

1 Corinthians 12:28-31 and Romans 12:6-8 mention other gifts or charisms, but I don't think I've heard of generosity, modesty and chastity being among them.

BTW, the deuterocanonical books are seven books that are from the Old Testament. Both Catholic and Protestant New Testament contains the same 27 books.

 

[AMDG]

The tradition of the Church lists twelve of them: "charity, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, generosity, gentleness, faithfulness, modesty, self-control, chastity."

I think I've figured it out! (How the words "generosity, modesty, and chastity" have been included as fruits.) IMO it's due to different translations or definitions of different versions along with the different lists (Galations, 1 Corinthians, Romans, Ephesians).

 

[Adammi]

There are two kinds of gifts of the Spirit. The first kind are intended for sanctification. They are wisdom (enables the person to value the things of heaven), understanding (enables the person to grasp the truths of religion), counsel (helps one to see and correctly choose the best practical aproach in serving God), fortitude (steels a peron's resolve in overcoming obstacles to living the faith), knowledge (helps one to see the path to follow and the dangers to one's faith), piety (fills a person with confidence in God and an eagerness to serve Him), and fear of the Lord (makes a person keenly aware of God's sovereignty and the respect due Him and His laws.)

The second kind of gifts called charisms are granted to help others. In Corinthians 12:6-11, nine charisms are mentioned. They are: gift of speaking with wisdom, gift of speaking with knowledge, faith, healing, miracles, prophecy, discerning of spirits, tongues and interpreting speeches.

1 Corinthians 12:28-31 and Romans 12:6-8 mention other gifts or charisms, but I don't think I've heard of generosity, modesty and chastity being among them.

BTW, the deuterocanonical books are seven books that are from the Old Testament. Both Catholic and Protestant New Testament contains the same 27 books.

Yes, I'm fully aware of the gifts of the Holy Spirit, the deuterocanon, and that both Protestants and Catholics have the same books compiling the New Testament.

The OP and I were actually asking about the fruits of the spirit.

 

[Peaceful Dove]

Here is a link to the New American Bible that most of us use.
http://www.nccbuscc.org/nab/bible/

 

[Adammi]

Thanks for the link, but I have an often use a NAB myself....

The fruits of the spirit as quoted by Protestants comes from here:
[bible]Galatians 5:22-23[/bible]

I was wondering (along with the OP) how the traditional listing of the fruits of the Spirit came to include generosity, modesty, and chastity, as they are included in point 1832 in the CCC.

I'm thinking that AMDG's answer in post 8 is probably right.