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Is Loving another person a sin ?

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Is loving another person a sin ? Heavens no. we are to love everyone even as our own selves.

Can a man love another man, like David and Jonathan did? Yes most certainly.
Can a woman love another woman? yes most certainly. So lets get one thing clear, the loving of another person is not what is sinful, that is Good.

Now then, if you add sex into it. Well then that is a different story. A man loving another man, not sinful, a man having sex with another man, this is sinful. A woman loving another woman, not sinful, a woman having sex with another woman, this is sinful.

Hear what Scriptures teach:

1Cor:7:2: Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

So according to Scriptures how does one avoid, having sex before marriage ? Hello, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband. Now i will mention a few verses after this one, so we can read how else we can avoid sex before marriage, such as a man can have his own husband and the such:

3: Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband.
4: The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife.


Where are the verses which state it is OK for a man to marry a man? or a woman a woman? This topic on the next Thread.

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Fornication, back in Biblical times

1) Adultery
2) Prostitution
3) Incest


So there goes your theory on that one...
I am slow at times, today is one of those times lol.
Are you saying sex as long as it is not adultery , prostitution or incest right in the eyes of God and not sin?
 
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I am slow at times, today is one of those times lol.
Are you saying sex as long as it is not adultery , prostitution or incest right in the eyes of God and not sin?
Well, I'm not really saying that at all. I'm just saying that he is making it like homosexuality is fornication, and that isn't what the Bible says.
 
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Well, I'm not really saying that at all. I'm just saying that he is making it like homosexuality is fornication, and that isn't what the Bible says.
I want you to fully understand why I am asking these questions , it isn't to make you look bad or wrong, so forgive me if I am making that impression. I want to know what you believe that is all, to better understand you.
What is sex outside of marriage called in the word of God.? and is sex outside of marriage sin?
 
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I want you to fully understand why I am asking these questions , it isn't to make you look bad or wrong, so forgive me if I am making that impression. I want to know what you believe that is all, to better understand you.
What is sex outside of marriage called in the word of God.? and is sex outside of marriage sin?
It doesn't have a name in the Bible. The Dictionary definition of fornication is sex outside of marriage, but that isn't the definition back in Biblical times.

If you want to say only sex inside of marriage is OK, I will agree...but then I must believe that God blesses gay marriages and it would be fornication if they have sex outside of that committed relationship as well.
 
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It doesn't have a name in the Bible. The Dictionary definition of fornication is sex outside of marriage, but that isn't the definition back in Biblical times.

If you want to say only sex inside of marriage is OK, I will agree...but then I must believe that God blesses gay marriages and it would be fornication if they have sex outside of that committed relationship as well.
I just cant far the life of me understand that no where does the bible have a translation for people who have sex that aren't married ....oh well maybe the opposite of prostitution lol
 
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I just cant far the life of me understand that no where does the bible have a translation for people who have sex that aren't married ....oh well maybe the opposite of prostitution lol
I've checked, there really isn't one. If you look on Religioustolerance.org you will also see. Paul does say that if you burn with lust, it is better that you marry, though, in his letter to the Corinthians.
 
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I've checked, there really isn't one. If you look on Religioustolerance.org you will also see. Paul does say that if you burn with lust, it is better that you marry, though, in his letter to the Corinthians.
I always thought it was fornication , anything done outside the unity of joining in one flesh, like a christian can fornicate with the world after being in the body of Christ. Am I wrong to perceive it like that?
 
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I always thought it was fornication , anything done outside the unity of joining in one flesh, like a christian can fornicate with the world after being in the body of Christ. Am I wrong to perceive it like that?
Through doctrine that is how it is perceived, but that isn't really what the verses say. Mainstream Christianity feels that the joining of one flesh in sexual relations is only through marriage, but it does not ever say that or imply...the doctrine just teaches this.
 
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Through doctrine that is how it is perceived, but that isn't really what the verses say. Mainstream Christianity feels that the joining of one flesh in sexual relations is only through marriage, but it does not ever say that or imply...the doctrine just teaches this.
I do not want to live by doctrine of men, I rather live by the word of God. I believe and I could be wrong , (won't be the first or last lol) that marriage is more than uniting in the act of sex itself. There is a commitment long before the act is done, if not men and women would be married to the rapist that raped them.
 
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Fornication, back in Biblical times

1) Adultery
2) Prostitution
3) Incest


So there goes your theory on that one...

Fornication in todays times = having a sexual relation with anyone other then your spouse, not being married.
God's Truth still stands.

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Well, I'm not really saying that at all. I'm just saying that he is making it like homosexuality is fornication, and that isn't what the Bible says.

Fornication is the act of having a sexual relationship not being married.

If any person has sex with anyone, and they are not married, that is Fornication.

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Fornication in todays times = having a sexual relation with anyone other then your spouse, not being married.
God's Truth still stands.

In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ
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In today's times, doesn't have anything to do with what the BIBLE SAYS. You can say what you want, but that doesn't change what the Bible was addressing.

You may wish to watch yourself, your posts came out double.
 
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If any person has sex with anyone, and they are not married, that is Fornication.

That is heresay, and along w/some Bible doctrine.

Nonetheless, we can compare 2 same sex people getting married as the same thing, then it wouldn't be fornication, since a single, gay monogamous relationship wasn't recognized till the 19th century, so there wouldn't be any mention in Scripture.
 
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It doesn't have a name in the Bible. The Dictionary definition of fornication is sex outside of marriage, but that isn't the definition back in Biblical times.

The definition of Fornication has not changed, it has always meant, sex outside of marriage, that has never changed.

If you want to say only sex inside of marriage is OK, I will agree...but then I must believe that God blesses gay marriages and it would be fornication if they have sex outside of that committed relationship as well.

So you are then in agreement, only sex within a marriage is OK, And according to Scriptures the only marriage that is OK with God, is with a man and a woman. And that is clearly written:

Mt:19:5: And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?

1Cor:7:2: Nevertheless, to avoid fornication ( sex outside of marriage ) , let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

So then what is your beef with me and what i said, when you agree also as i do?

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The definition of Fornication has not changed, it has always meant, sex outside of marriage, that has never changed.



So you are then in agreement, only sex within a marriage is OK, And according to Scriptures the only marriage that is OK with God, is with a man and a woman. And that is clearly written:

Mt:19:5: And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?

1Cor:7:2: Nevertheless, to avoid fornication ( sex outside of marriage ) , let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

So then what is your beef with me and what i said, when you agree also as i do?

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That isn't the fornication that was being addressed in that verse. It was adultery...you really need to do more studying before posting Bible verses w/o any clear knowledge of the definition Paul was talking about back then.

You can't put two verses together to make up what you are saying. That verse doesn't say "the only definition of marriage is between a man and a woman", it just gives the definition of two becoming one flesh in marriage. Never does it say "two men becoming one flesh cannot be", or any revelation of gay marriages for the future. It doesn't say what marriage IS NOT, is my main point.
 
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I've checked, there really isn't one. If you look on Religioustolerance.org you will also see. Paul does say that if you burn with lust, it is better that you marry, though, in his letter to the Corinthians.

Yes it is better to marry, then to burn:

1Cor:7:9: But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.

And who, according to Scriptures, can a man marry? According to Scriptures a man can marry a WIFE, that is to say, someone that is female.

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