On a scale of 1 to 10 how pointless is this conversation?

[Lady Bug]

1 being pointless, 10 being productive.
(or is it 1 being productive, 10 being pointless?)

This is based on a real conversation I had with my dad (I didn't start it by the way. I wouldn't dream of it)

Dad: How can Jesus be GOD?! He never SAID he was God!!!

Me: Well, OK. Suppose Jesus came out and said it directly. Would you believe him?

Dad: No.
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Well - OK, what's the point of even going back and forth about it then?!

 

[AlexB23]

1 being pointless, 10 being productive.
(or is it 1 being productive, 10 being pointless?)

This is based on a real conversation I had with my dad (I didn't start it by the way. I wouldn't dream of it)

Dad: How can Jesus be GOD?! He never SAID he was God!!!

Me: Well, OK. Suppose Jesus came out and said it directly. Would you believe him?

Dad: No.
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Well - OK, what's the point of even going back and forth about it then?!

Well, as your dad is a Muslim, it is pointless to debate with him, and it is best that you leave him. Show him the Eucharistic miracles, and maybe he will then believe.

Eucharistic miracle article (For ages 15-18+, as flesh from Jesus is shown): Blessed Carlo Acutis Listed 32 Eucharistic Miracles — Here Are the Top 5

 

[Lady Bug]

Well, as your dad is a Muslim, it is pointless to debate with him, and it is best that you leave him. Show him the Eucharistic miracles, and maybe he will then believe.

Eucharistic miracle article (For ages 15-18+, as flesh from Jesus is shown): Blessed Carlo Acutis Listed 32 Eucharistic Miracles — Here Are the Top 5

To be honest, he doesn't qualify as a Muslim. He says he was "born into a Muslim home" and he calls himself Muslim because of that, but he doesn't believe that Muhammad is a true prophet. He even doesn't believe that there is such a thing as prophets. I'm starting to wonder how much he's been faking being a professing Muslim in front of me because of image issues. He still wants me to tell other Muslims that I'm Muslim. He tells others he's a Muslim too.

 

[AlexB23]

To be honest, he doesn't qualify as a Muslim. He says he was "born into a Muslim home" and he calls himself Muslim because of that, but he doesn't believe that Muhammad is a true prophet. He even doesn't believe that there is such a thing as prophets. I'm starting to wonder how much he's been faking being a professing Muslim in front of me because of image issues. He still wants me to tell other Muslims that I'm Muslim. He tells others he's a Muslim too.

Sounds like your dad is a flaky man. But he is not good for you to be around.

 

[chevyontheriver]

To be honest, he doesn't qualify as a Muslim. He says he was "born into a Muslim home" and he calls himself Muslim because of that, but he doesn't believe that Muhammad is a true prophet. He even doesn't believe that there is such a thing as prophets. I'm starting to wonder how much he's been faking being a professing Muslim in front of me because of image issues. He still wants me to tell other Muslims that I'm Muslim. He tells others he's a Muslim too.

Call his bluff and tell him he's no Muslim. Does he pray on a prayer mat facing Mecca five times a day? Nope? Not a Muslim. Has he been on the Hajj? Could he afford to go? Not a Muslim if he could afford it but hasn't gone at his age. Did he fast during Ramadan? Nope? Not a Muslim. He doesn't think Mohammad is a prophet? Nope? He's no Muslim. Does he give alms? Nope? He's no Muslim. You are a better Muslim than he is. You are part of the people of the Book. A believer. He's a failed Muslim. An infidel. His relatives might not be pleased to learn what a bad Muslim he is. You aren't the problem as a Catholic. Tell him he can be a Christian. He may as well because he sure isn't a Muslim if he won't practice the five pillars.

 

[FaithT]

Well, as your dad is a Muslim, it is pointless to debate with him, and it is best that you leave him. Show him the Eucharistic miracles, and maybe he will then believe.

Eucharistic miracle article (For ages 15-18+, as flesh from Jesus is shown): Blessed Carlo Acutis Listed 32 Eucharistic Miracles — Here Are the Top 5

The miracle at Bolsena was described as a “legend” in that article.

 

[AlexB23]

The miracle at Bolsena was described as a “legend” in that artical.

OK. But there are 31 others.

 

[FaithT]

OK. But there are 31 others.

Sorry, I just noticed that I spelled article wrong. I fixed the spelling In my post.

 

[RileyG]

Just pray for him. That's all you can do.

Blessings

 

[AlexB23]

Sorry, I just noticed that I spelled article wrong. I fixed the spelling In my post.

Yeah, I know, but I do not point that out all the time.

 

[FaithT]

Yeah, I know, but I do not point that out all the time.

Thanks but it was bugging me.

 

[AlexB23]

Thanks but it was bugging me.

You are welcome. Thank you for correcting your post on your own volition.

 

[Cosmic Charlie]

Don't know if this is going to help:

If your father was raised in a Muslim home he no doubt has a Muslim view of God since that's the view that was modeled in his household.

This makes a difference. Islam has a view of monotheism very closely related Judaism. There is a single God, the God is One.

Islam views the Trinity (and more to the point Christ) as polytheistic blasphemy. The Trinity is a really difficult subject in Monotheistic thought and it took Christians almost 400 years to figure the whole thing out. A Muslim doesn't stand a chance of understanding it unless they are actually studying from an intellectual/historical point of view and your father isn't doing that.

He's going to reject Jesus as God on spec.

Which, to answer your question, makes the conversation beyond pointless, it's contexual-less which may not even be a word but by that I mean you're talking past each other and don't have a common framework to discuss the situation.

I would have time for a conversation like this.

 

[Miss Shelby]

A Muslim doesn't stand a chance of understanding it unless they are actually studying from an intellectual/historical point of view

Or unless the Holy Spirit impresses it upon his heart, so prayer is the answer.