If you read the post and understood it, you would have seen the Law mentioned as not being in the Book of the Law is the Law pertaining to sin.. Not the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus. 3/4 of the post is in respect to the law of sin, not what the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ is. I can see where one could get confused in what you quoted here. I will go through the posts to see if they can be worded better so as not to confuse anyone. Thanks.
Paul said in Romans 8 when he said, "The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set us free from the law of sin and death." A little leaven leavens the whole.
The law in the above phrase is not the law or a law found in the Book of the Law or of the decalogue.
The reason I posted in the first place, is because since our youth this world's religions have promoted the philosophy that Jesus came to bring His Own Laws, and not God's Law found in the Law and Prophets. As written, this statement promotes the same philosophy, that I have found to be false.
If you just made a mistake in the wording, that's one thing. But you seem to double down on it by saying the Law of Sin and death, was not God's Law either. What is the LAW of Sin?
Deut. 28:
15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, (Definition of sin) to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:
Blindness, delusions, deception, as Paul teaches in Rom. 1, "
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Not only curses, but "Death" as well. So then, Paul was brought into Captivity to the "Law of Sin", as defined and described by God in the Book of the Law. I have posted just a few of God's definition and description of the "Law of Sin and death"
which was not In Christ. There are volumes of them. Paul was brought into Captivity to God's "Law of Sin", Jesus wasn't. Jesus had only the "Law of the Spirit of Life",
having not been taken captivity.
A man cannot live in the Law of the Spirit "of Life", that was in Jesus, if he is held captive to the Law of Sin and "death" (deception, blindness, delusions, etc.) That is Paul's Delema. "Oh wretched man that I am".
Both Laws are created and taught in the Book of the Law. You are preaching they are not, much in the same way others have promoted that Jesus brought His Own Laws. It seemed that like me, you have also been influenced by this world's religious philosophy, and I simply want to point these things out for your consideration, by the Scriptures themselves. Not to shame you, but in Love as for a brother.
That is right it wasn't though the premise is seen in the patriarchs.
If verses state something indicatively and we think something is being said or understood elsewhere which contradicts then we need to reconsider what we think. Because what is being shown here are facts. Not just one either, several.
As was said previously, show an error below within the context of the passages shared then you will have a leg to stand on.
I have done just that. A man cannot know God's Truth, if he takes 3 verses out of the bible, and separates them from the rest of God's Words, and then creates doctrine by them. Why would a man even want to?
Your philosophy here, is that Paul was somehow under circumstances of his flesh that no other human had ever encountered. That Able didn't encounter. Eve didn't encounter. Abraham didn't encounter. Caleb didn't encounter. I am hoping you might consider "Every Word" which proceeds out of the mouth of God here. Was there not "another Law"
warring against the law of Eve's mind, and bringing her into captivity to the law of sin"?
Didn't Jesus also have "another law" in HIS flesh, warring against the Law of His Mind? Name me just ONE example of Faithful men given us by scriptures, that didn't have "another Law" warring against the "Law of the Spirit of Life" that was in their mind?
Who placed the serpent in the garden Him? Will you preach to others that all of this is Not put in place "by God"?
Paul states this law is another law in verse 23 and this is a fact.
Absolutely. Paul's flesh is carnal and must be ruled over just as God told Cain. I posted His words, but you didn't even consider them. Who made Paul's Flesh carnal so that Paul would have to say "
Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof"?
Who commanded as LAW, "
Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;"
How can you say this isn't "Another Law of God" and how can you say Paul wasn't afflicted with it, and how can you say it doesn't war against the Law of his mind?
The word another is heteros in the Greek and means different. THIS makes this law, nomos in the Greek, the thing established, different from the one previously mentioned. Couple that with the fact it is said in contrast to the Law of God he delights in, in verse 22.
AND This Law that is the Law of God that he delights in was said in contrast to the law he said he found in verse 21 this is a fact.
Yes. So what? God told Eve not to eat of the tree in the midst of the Garden, then "HE" placed a serpent in the garden with her,
whose only job was to convince Eve to eat of the tree in the midst of the garden.
Consider the same story, only that Eve didn't "Yield herself" a servant to obey the serpent, but stayed faithful to God even though the fruit was tempting? Please answer my question, isn't this exactly what Jesus did all His Life?
Which was said in context to the fact that when he would do good evil is present with him, and the good that he would, he can't, but the evil that he would not, that he does.
Yes, this is the Flesh of every man, since Adam and Eve. What I am contending with, is your preaching that this is not a Law of God.
Gal. 5:
16 This I say then, "Walk" in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
How can you teach others that this is not the Law of the Flesh, created by God, warring against the Law of God in our minds?
Stating so he then says it wasn't him that is doing it but the sin that dwells in Him. This is the law he found that is the other law warring in his member against the Law that he delights in, the Law of God, the Torah.
Do you really not understand what I trying to point out?
Duet. 30:
19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that "I have set before you" life and death, blessing and cursing: (The Law of the Spirit of Life
AND the Law of sin and Death)
"therefore choose life", ( with the mind I serve the Law of God) that both thou and thy seed may live:
Can't get any clearer than that.
I agree.
But let's add another fact that is brought out in the grammar. Both God in the clause "law of God" and sin in the clause "law of sin" are in the genitive case in the Greek and also have their very own definite article. Which means that the law mentioned of God, is the Law of the God. And the Law mentioned of sin. is the Law of the sin, making a distinct distinction between said laws.
Truly there is a distinction between Laws, but the deception is that God only created one of them.
