Will Joe Biden disavow the Anti-Semitic protestors

[Postvieww]

Most of the violence at these campus riots is police violence.

When people feel they have the right to break the law, force may be required to deal with it.

 

[rambot]

Neither do many liberals!

Who have committed ACTUAL crimes?

 

[Paulos23]

When people feel they have the right to break the law, force may be required to deal with it.

When the universities talked and deescalated with protesters, no violence.

When the universities call the police to clear the campus, violence.

I think calling the police is a part of the cause of violence, not the result.

 

[rambot]

When the universities talked and deescalated with protesters, no violence.

When the universities call the police to clear the campus, violence.

I think calling the police is a part of the cause of violence, not the result.

Of COURSE it is. Because American police don't know how to de-escalate. Other posters have asked "what training is missing from American police today"....well, it's either de-escalation training or the idea of using the law as a hammer to solve problems.

 

[Postvieww]

Most of the violence at these campus riots is police violence.

So the rule of law is not so important here?

 

[Postvieww]

When the universities talked and deescalated with protesters, no violence.

When the universities call the police to clear the campus, violence.

I think calling the police is a part of the cause of violence, not the result.

The problem here is the unlawful acts by a mob hiding under the cloak of free speech. Law breakers have to face the police, that is just how it is.

 

[Hans Blaster]

So the rule of law is not so important here?

Are we talking about "rule by The Law" (police) or "the rule of law"?

There is more to the "rule of law" than enforcing certain regulations.

At least 2 universities (including Indiana U.) changed their "camping policies" for students to prohibit encampments that already existed and sent in the police the next day. As others have noted, many of these protests have ended peacefully when the university and the government officials want it to.

The permissibility of the police initiating violent confrontation under the "rule of law" is slim to none.

 

[Postvieww]

Of COURSE it is. Because American police don't know how to de-escalate. Other posters have asked "what training is missing from American police today"....well, it's either de-escalation training or the idea of using the law as a hammer to solve problems.

This is not a police problem this is organized chaos funded by liberal big money.

 

[Paulos23]

The problem here is the unlawful acts by a mob hiding under the cloak of free speech. Law breakers have to face the police, that is just how it is.

Most of the violence starts after the police show up, or the university leadership puts their foot down and ignores the book for dealing with protests. There is a well-worked plan for de-escalating protests, and some of the universities have thrown that book out the window.

I do not support the violence some of the protesters have done, but in nearly every instance there was police harassment or violence first.

 

[Postvieww]

Are we talking about "rule by The Law" (police) or "the rule of law"?

There is more to the "rule of law" than enforcing certain regulations.

At least 2 universities (including Indiana U.) changed their "camping policies" for students to prohibit encampments that already existed and sent in the police the next day. As others have noted, many of these protests have ended peacefully when the university and the government officials want it to.

The permissibility of the police initiating violent confrontation under the "rule of law" is slim to none.

The protesters do not have the right to threaten or attack Jewish students, impede their movement, prevent them from classrooms. Many protesters are not even students. This is way beyond a lawful protest, this funded chaos.

 

[Postvieww]

Most of the violence starts after the police show up, or the university leadership puts their foot down and ignores the book for dealing with protests. There is a well-worked plan for de-escalating protests, and some of the universities have thrown that book out the window.

I do not support the violence some of the protesters have done, but in nearly every instance there was police harassment or violence first.

I just watched a live report where protesters removed a barricade and advanced towards the police. The police are not the problem here. This unlawful hate filled protest is the problem.

 

[rambot]

I just watched a live report where protesters removed a barricade and advanced towards the police. The police are not the problem here. This unlawful hate filled protest is the problem.

I like that cite about 3 seconds worth of video of one protests and now you say with complete confidence that the police are not a problem.

 

[Paulos23]

I just watched a live report where protesters removed a barricade and advanced towards the police. The police are not the problem here. This unlawful hate filled protest is the problem.

I think you are looking at it too narrowly. By the time the police are there on campus, it is too late. There is going to be violence.

The colleges and universities could have de-escalated this by listening to the protesters' demands, agreeing to a few, or not and going over why not. Several colleges have done that. Heck, even Evergreen State College manager to get the protesters off their lawn without police violence.

More reading:

Here's What Universities Always Get Wrong about Student Protests

Repression draws attention to campus protests, like those over the conflict in Gaza, and makes them grow

www.scientificamerican.com

The lessons from colleges that didn’t call the police

Deescalating conflict around protests was possible, but many colleges turned to law enforcement instead.

www.vox.com

 

[Postvieww]

I like that cite about 3 seconds worth of video of one protests and now you say with complete confidence that the police are not a problem.

Police are not THE problem here illegal hate filled rioting is the problem.

 

[Postvieww]

I think you are looking at it too narrowly. By the time the police are there on campus, it is too late. There is going to be violence.

The colleges and universities could have de-escalated this by listening to the protesters' demands, agreeing to a few, or not and going over why not. Several colleges have done that. Heck, even Evergreen State College manager to get the protesters off their lawn without police violence.

More reading:

Here's What Universities Always Get Wrong about Student Protests

Repression draws attention to campus protests, like those over the conflict in Gaza, and makes them grow

www.scientificamerican.com

The lessons from colleges that didn’t call the police

Deescalating conflict around protests was possible, but many colleges turned to law enforcement instead.

www.vox.com

Yes campus authorities do have some responsibility here but mostly from inaction and poor decisions.

 

[rambot]

Police are not THE problem here illegal hate filled rioting is the problem.

If police are not the problem here, it's easy to resolve that:

When police engaged, how often has there been violence?

When police do not get involved and other parties communicate directly, has there been violence?


These are two very simple questions to that can clarify the efficacy of police response.

 

[Postvieww]

If police are not the problem here, it's easy to resolve that:

When police engaged, how often has there been violence?

When police do not get involved and other parties communicate directly, has there been violence?


These are two very simple questions to that can clarify the efficacy of police response.

Were the police involved in the takeover of buildings through force and temporarily holding some staff hostage? No! But the police did take back the building. Why all of the support for this hate filled illegal protest?

 

[Paulos23]

Yes campus authorities do have some responsibility here but mostly from inaction and poor decisions.

And what poor decisions are those, in your view?

 

[Pommer]

Neither do many liberals!

Oh, did I awaken and now suddenly being a liberal is criminal?
What an interesting development.

 

[Pommer]

This is not a police problem this is organized chaos funded by liberal big money.

Rhetoric is fun, huh?