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<blockquote data-quote="ViaCrucis" data-source="post: 77457442" data-attributes="member: 293637"><p>Woo is short for "woo woo" a slang term referring to belief in superstitious, paranormal, or pseudoscientific ideas. Astrology, magic crystals, psychics, the power of positive thinking/manifesting are all examples of woo.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm fairly confident we've been over this passage already. No, that isn't what it means. All you have to do is read more of what St. Paul wrote:</p><p></p><p>"<em>We are afflicted in every way, but not crushed; perplexed, but not driven to despair; persecuted, but not forsaken; struck down, but not destroyed; always carrying in the body the death of Jesus, so that the life of Jesus may also be manifested in our bodies. For we who live are always being given over to death for Jesus' sake, so that the life of Jesus also may be manifested in our mortal flesh. So death is at work in us, but life in you.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>Since we have the same spirit of faith according to what has been written, “I believed, and so I spoke,” we also believe, and so we also speak, knowing that he who raised the Lord Jesus will raise us also with Jesus and bring us with you into his presence. For it is all for your sake, so that as grace extends to more and more people it may increase thanksgiving, to the glory of God.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>So we do not lose heart. Though our outer self is wasting away, our inner self is being renewed day by day. For this light momentary affliction is preparing for us an eternal weight of glory beyond all comparison, as we look not to the things that are seen but to the things that are unseen. For the things that are seen are transient, but the things that are unseen are eternal.</em>"</p><p></p><p>The "things that are seen" is the suffering, pain, the mortality of our bodies. We cannot see, we cannot behold with our senses the truth of the Gospel and its promises, which are the future glory of the resurrection which has already been given to us by faith, and as hope that we shall be raised bodily even as Christ was. It is that glorious hope that is unseen. The seen--the afflictions, the sufferings, the death that surrounds us--is transient, it is temporary, it isn't what will last; what will last is the unseen hope and promise of God in Christ that we shall have life everlasting, Christ will return, the dead shall be raised, and God shall make all things new.</p><p></p><p><em>That's</em> what the passage is talking about.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Very much for real.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, it does not say that.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Being led by the Spirit and praying without ceasing has nothing to do with spiritualizing quantum mechanics. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'd recommend interpreting it correctly. Applying some rudimentary exegetical skill to the passage would go a long way here. No need to tear it out of your Bible, just read it correctly instead of wrongly.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Already explained. Paul tells you what he means if you just bother to read it in context. It's not a riddle or a puzzle you have to figure out, the text makes it obvious what is being talked about. All you have to do is put in a small amount of work to understand it.</p><p></p><p>-CryptoLutheran</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ViaCrucis, post: 77457442, member: 293637"] Woo is short for "woo woo" a slang term referring to belief in superstitious, paranormal, or pseudoscientific ideas. Astrology, magic crystals, psychics, the power of positive thinking/manifesting are all examples of woo. I'm fairly confident we've been over this passage already. No, that isn't what it means. All you have to do is read more of what St. Paul wrote: "[I]We are afflicted in every way, but not crushed; perplexed, but not driven to despair; persecuted, but not forsaken; struck down, but not destroyed; always carrying in the body the death of Jesus, so that the life of Jesus may also be manifested in our bodies. For we who live are always being given over to death for Jesus' sake, so that the life of Jesus also may be manifested in our mortal flesh. So death is at work in us, but life in you. Since we have the same spirit of faith according to what has been written, “I believed, and so I spoke,” we also believe, and so we also speak, knowing that he who raised the Lord Jesus will raise us also with Jesus and bring us with you into his presence. For it is all for your sake, so that as grace extends to more and more people it may increase thanksgiving, to the glory of God. So we do not lose heart. Though our outer self is wasting away, our inner self is being renewed day by day. For this light momentary affliction is preparing for us an eternal weight of glory beyond all comparison, as we look not to the things that are seen but to the things that are unseen. For the things that are seen are transient, but the things that are unseen are eternal.[/I]" The "things that are seen" is the suffering, pain, the mortality of our bodies. We cannot see, we cannot behold with our senses the truth of the Gospel and its promises, which are the future glory of the resurrection which has already been given to us by faith, and as hope that we shall be raised bodily even as Christ was. It is that glorious hope that is unseen. The seen--the afflictions, the sufferings, the death that surrounds us--is transient, it is temporary, it isn't what will last; what will last is the unseen hope and promise of God in Christ that we shall have life everlasting, Christ will return, the dead shall be raised, and God shall make all things new. [I]That's[/I] what the passage is talking about. Very much for real. No, it does not say that. Being led by the Spirit and praying without ceasing has nothing to do with spiritualizing quantum mechanics. I'd recommend interpreting it correctly. Applying some rudimentary exegetical skill to the passage would go a long way here. No need to tear it out of your Bible, just read it correctly instead of wrongly. Already explained. Paul tells you what he means if you just bother to read it in context. It's not a riddle or a puzzle you have to figure out, the text makes it obvious what is being talked about. All you have to do is put in a small amount of work to understand it. -CryptoLutheran [/QUOTE]
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