Trump blasts his trial judges. Then his fans call for violence.

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Agreed.
@AlexB23 before Newt, we had a mixed Congress.
Not only were there Republicans and Democrats, there were liberal and conservative members spread throughout each party.

The upshot was an intersectionality betwixt party and ideology.
If a bill couldn’t be passed on the party-line, it could still become a law if the ideological ducks could be aligned.

What Newt (et. al.) did was to make the Republican Party wholly conservative (over the course of a decade and a half), this gave us the “uniparty” of today’s politics. There is no “middle” and both parties are beholden to their extreme wings.
Yeah, the 1990s-2010s is when the political parties have approached extreme divisions. Newt, while not an inciter of violence compared to Donald, brought ruin to the American two-party system.

Even in 2014, political division was major. Hopefully Pew Research can give us some 2024 numbers when the year ends: Political Polarization in the American Public
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I remember when the American judicial system was not targeting the political opponents of the Democratic Party.
That's good. That means you are currently lucid as well since that is also not occurring.

Do you HONESTLY not think that there is evidence supporting ANY Trump convictions?
 
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Actually the vast majority of the violence that is fueled in our country does not come from the right, it is fueled by the left. The hatred of race, through DEI and CRT and the anti-police movement and the college campuses and the human trafficking of women and children through the border disaster have devastated our country.
Evidence! Evidence EVERYWHERE!
 
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And David, king of Israel and type of Christ?
You mean David, the King of Israel who wrote beautiful psalms in worship of His Lord and asked for his providence?

You think that is the same as DJT saying "I haven't done anything I need forgiveness for".

Please, I'm begging everyone to use good Christian DISCERNMENT when speaking about Donald Trump. Stop ignoring his disdain for you and utter apathy for Christ.
 
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You mean David, the King of Israel who wrote beautiful psalms in worship of His Lord and asked for his providence?

You think that is the same as DJT saying "I haven't done anything I need forgiveness for".

Please, I'm begging everyone to use good Christian DISCERNMENT when speaking about Donald Trump. Stop ignoring his disdain for you and utter apathy for Christ.
Please try to not judge other people. You never know, Trump's Christian discernment might be better than yours!
 
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One day you will see. Right now you are as Michael Cohen said he was...knee deep in the DJT cult. :pray:
My sister, @Vambram is not knee deep in the Trump cult, so please do not accuse him of doing so. He has agreed with me plenty of times on stewardship of the Earth (Genesis 2:15), which Trump does not support: https://thehill.com/policy/energy-e...ts-probe-trump-request-campaign-cash-big-oil/

Yes, both parties can be a cult, such as Trump on the right, and the gender movement on the left, but we must not be quick to judge someone @Handmaid for Jesus .

About 5 years ago, I was a strong democrat who was pro immigration, totally anti guns, but over the past year, with the gender ideology stuff being shoved down our throats (gender pronouns are now ruining my favorite childhood shows such as Doctor Who), I have realized that the democrats have brainwashed people on certain things just as much as the MAGA movement has. Now, I am for moderated immigration with proper screenings of immigrants. I am still against autos and semi auto guns, but am not against someone owning a regular shotgun, pistol or hunting rifle (as long as the individual is screened for mental health and the weapon is properly stored in a safe whilst not in use). I do not own guns, but am not against responsible gun ownership. So, in 2024, I do not know what I am, an outcast from the democrats, and an outcast from the republicans.

So, my friend Handmaid in Jesus, read Matthew 7:1-5, three times over.

Matthew 7:1-5: "Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye."
 
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That's good. That means you are currently lucid as well since that is also not occurring.

Do you HONESTLY not think that there is evidence supporting ANY Trump convictions?
There is a lot more evidence of crimes by the judge and district attorneys involved in persecuting Trump. I hope they get some prison time.
 
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You mean David, the King of Israel who wrote beautiful psalms in worship of His Lord and asked for his providence?

You think that is the same as DJT saying "I haven't done anything I need forgiveness for".

Please, I'm begging everyone to use good Christian DISCERNMENT when speaking about Donald Trump. Stop ignoring his disdain for you and utter apathy for Christ.

Are you without any sin?

Your busy casting stones about what doesn't matter in office, and completely ignoring what really does matter to actual Americans.

It's hard not to judge people when it's something you haven't done, but most Americans have been married twice, had sex outside of marriage and more.

This is so common it just manages to be part and parcel of every day American life...

I'd rather be concerned about things like having strength and deterrence on the world stage, about our economy, about immigration that is managing to cost billions we don't have, concern for our national debt, our military and national security...

I am totally unconcerned with who's lying about sleeping with whom today, or whether a NDA should have been listed as a personal legal expense even though the lawyer said it should be.

Have fun with the porn star though, the left are the only one's who even care.
 
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That's good. That means you are currently lucid as well since that is also not occurring.

Do you HONESTLY not think that there is evidence supporting ANY Trump convictions?
Do you honestly believe that the leaders of the Democratic Party are NOT attempting to use the judicial system to attack the political opponents of the Democratic Party?
 
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Actually the vast majority of the violence that is fueled in our country does not come from the right, it is fueled by the left. The hatred of race, through DEI and CRT and the anti-police movement and the college campuses and the human trafficking of women and children through the border disaster have devastated our country. Recall when Schumer threatened Supreme Court justices:

“I want to tell you Gorsuch. I want to tell you Kavanaugh. You have released the whirlwind and you will pay the price. You won't know what hit you if you go forward with these awful decisions.”

And Joe Biden refused to enforce the laws regarding their protecting. The overall lack of outrage from the left was chilling, those two remain leaders of the Democrats. The rioting and burning of major cities, the thugs who smash elderly women in the face, those who threaten Jewish students and push people in front of subways, how many of them do you really see wearing MAGA shirts and hats? There may be some left-wing-moles posting, but with such huge numbers on both sides everyone should expect there will be some crazies or those who at least push back verbally from both sides. What we should be doing is restoring equal protection under the law and locking up those who commit acts of violence, starting with the most violent.
Actually, right wing violence has been found in a study to be worse that left wing.

Across both datasets, we find that radical acts perpetrated by individuals associated with left-wing causes are less likely to be violent. In the United States, we find no difference between the level of violence perpetrated by right-wing and Islamist extremists. However, differences in violence emerge on the global level, with Islamist extremists being more likely than right-wing extremists to engage in more violent acts.​

LEFT-WING VERSUS RIGHT-WING EXTREMISM​

Of these three ideologies, most prior research has contrasted those committed to right-wing and left-wing causes. Much of this research suggests that compared to left-wing extremists, right-wing extremists may be more likely to engage in politically motivated violence. In comparison to left-wing supporters, right-wing individuals are more often characterized by closed-mindedness and dogmatism (9) and a heightened need for order, structure, and cognitive closure (5). Because such characteristics have been found to increase in-group bias and lead to greater out-group hostility (10), violence for a cause may be more likely among proponents of right-wing ideologies. In contrast, in comparison to their right-wing counterparts, left-wing individuals score higher on openness to new experiences, cognitive complexity, and tolerance of uncertainty (5). They are also less likely to support social dominance (11), which could lead to their overall lower likelihood to use violence against adversaries. In line with this reasoning, some studies have demonstrated an empathy gap between liberal and conservative individuals (12). Finally, according to various conceptualizations and operationalizations of right-wing authoritarianism (RWA; 1315), aggressive tendencies constitute an inherent component of this construct, with people high in RWA being more hostile toward others who violate norms than those low in RWA. A recent meta-analysis supported this conclusion, revealing a positive relationship between right-wing ideology and aggressive attitudes and behaviors (16). However, the study did not focus solely on politicized contexts and included only milder forms of aggression.​

Militant, nationalistic, white supremacist violent extremism has increased in the United States. In fact, the number of far-right attacks continues to outpace all other types of terrorism and domestic violent extremism. Since 1990, far-right extremists have committed far more ideologically motivated homicides than far-left or radical Islamist extremists, including 227 events that took more than 520 lives.[1] In this same period, far-left extremists committed 42 ideologically motivated attacks that took 78 lives.[2] A recent threat assessment by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security concluded that domestic violent extremists are an acute threat and highlighted a probability that COVID-19 pandemic-related stressors, long-standing ideological grievances related to immigration, and narratives surrounding electoral fraud will continue to serve as a justification for violent actions.[3]
 
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Do you honestly believe that the leaders of the Democratic Party are NOT attempting to use the judicial system to attack the political opponents of the Democratic Party?
Answer my question and I promise I will answer yours.
 
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Are you without any sin?
If I came on here saying "I have never sinned", you'd tear me to shreds. And you should because that is an abhorrent statement for a believer to make.


Your busy casting stones about what doesn't matter in office, and completely ignoring what really does matter to actual Americans.
I disagree that people's ethics and judgement don't matter in office.
But that could just be me...

It's hard not to judge people when it's something you haven't done, but most Americans have been married twice, had sex outside of marriage and more.
How many christians who have done that have also said "They don't have any reason to ask for forgiveness cause they haven't done anythin gwrong?"

This is what I'm talking about with discernment.

Have fun with the porn star though, the left are the only one's who even care.
The only reason you don't care is because it's a Republican politician. Seriously.

It's so silly to hear people argue otherwise.
 
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Answer my question and I promise I will answer yours.
I believe that I probably already know what your answer is, just like I am sure that the liberals here already believe that they know what my answer to your question is.
However, I do not believe that Donald Trump has committed any of the criminal felonies or misdemeanors of which he has been indicted these last few years.
 
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Often, it is so silly to me to hear Christians on this forum defend the political party that is pro-abortion and the political party that encourages the massive illegal immigration which far too often is nothing more than human trafficking.
 
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It’s going to be fun in twenty years when what’s left of Christianity vehemently claims that no true Christian ever supported Donald Trump. That Trump was sent by Satan to destroy the Church and unfortunately did a great deal of damage. That countless people saw fake Christians support Trump and turned from Christ because of it.

Don’t worry Trump supporters, I will be there defending your faith telling them you were absolutely Bible believing Christians supporting Donald Trump.
 
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The only reason you don't care is because it's a Republican politician. Seriously.

Actually no. I don't care because I was born and raised in America.

I've seen all these supposed good church people with all this perfect social character act like demons drunk on power in office.

Sorry, that's what taught me not to care about surfaces and start looking much much deeper in a politician.
 
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Actually, right wing violence has been found in a study to be worse that left wing.

Across both datasets, we find that radical acts perpetrated by individuals associated with left-wing causes are less likely to be violent. In the United States, we find no difference between the level of violence perpetrated by right-wing and Islamist extremists. However, differences in violence emerge on the global level, with Islamist extremists being more likely than right-wing extremists to engage in more violent acts.​

LEFT-WING VERSUS RIGHT-WING EXTREMISM​

Of these three ideologies, most prior research has contrasted those committed to right-wing and left-wing causes. Much of this research suggests that compared to left-wing extremists, right-wing extremists may be more likely to engage in politically motivated violence. In comparison to left-wing supporters, right-wing individuals are more often characterized by closed-mindedness and dogmatism (9) and a heightened need for order, structure, and cognitive closure (5). Because such characteristics have been found to increase in-group bias and lead to greater out-group hostility (10), violence for a cause may be more likely among proponents of right-wing ideologies. In contrast, in comparison to their right-wing counterparts, left-wing individuals score higher on openness to new experiences, cognitive complexity, and tolerance of uncertainty (5). They are also less likely to support social dominance (11), which could lead to their overall lower likelihood to use violence against adversaries. In line with this reasoning, some studies have demonstrated an empathy gap between liberal and conservative individuals (12). Finally, according to various conceptualizations and operationalizations of right-wing authoritarianism (RWA; 1315), aggressive tendencies constitute an inherent component of this construct, with people high in RWA being more hostile toward others who violate norms than those low in RWA. A recent meta-analysis supported this conclusion, revealing a positive relationship between right-wing ideology and aggressive attitudes and behaviors (16). However, the study did not focus solely on politicized contexts and included only milder forms of aggression.​

Militant, nationalistic, white supremacist violent extremism has increased in the United States. In fact, the number of far-right attacks continues to outpace all other types of terrorism and domestic violent extremism. Since 1990, far-right extremists have committed far more ideologically motivated homicides than far-left or radical Islamist extremists, including 227 events that took more than 520 lives.[1] In this same period, far-left extremists committed 42 ideologically motivated attacks that took 78 lives.[2] A recent threat assessment by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security concluded that domestic violent extremists are an acute threat and highlighted a probability that COVID-19 pandemic-related stressors, long-standing ideological grievances related to immigration, and narratives surrounding electoral fraud will continue to serve as a justification for violent actions.[3]
Is Antifa a far right, or a far left group?
What side of the political spectrum may the violence during the BLM riots be attributed? What side of the extremists spectrum does the violence from the pro-Hamas, pro-Palestinian protests represent? Did the violence or threats against conservatives on the SCOTUS come from the far right?

Although the far right extremists shall commit actions that I can never condone, let us not forget all the many times in the last decade that the far left extremists have committed deplorable actions. Also, the current Department of Homeland Security is being run by liberal politicians whom allow their political bias to effect their discernment.
 
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It’s going to be fun in twenty years when what’s left of Christianity vehemently claims that no true Christian ever supported Donald Trump. That Trump was sent by Satan to destroy the Church and unfortunately did a great deal of damage. That countless people saw fake Christians support Trump and turned from Christ because of it.

Don’t worry Trump supporters, I will be there defending your faith telling them you were absolutely Bible believing Christians supporting Donald Trump.
My brother, as a Christian myself, I have also noticed a lot of Christians on both sides of the aisle doing the same thing. For instance, Joe Biden mocked our faith by making a sign of the cross at a pro-abortion rally (emulating the Cafeteria Christian of 2 Timothy 4:3): President Biden mocks our Catholic faith

Yes, Trump has pretty much all of the characteristics of the man in Psalm 10:2-7 (the wicked man), so in other words, both candidates have strayed far from the Bible, and I am really tempted to vote for Bugs Bunny. Just a Christian centrist's words here, so you do not have to take my word for it, the sins of the two candidates are straight from the Bible.
 
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