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The genetic code is a literal digital and arbitrary code.

The only observed cause capable of producing this is intelligence. We only know of intelligence producing what our very bodies contain.

Anyone arguing against design being the best conclusion and reasonable inference is doing it merely for philosophical reasons.

Atheist place faith in maybes and one days, we don't.
 
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The genetic code is a literal digital and arbitrary code.

It isn't digital. I have no idea what you mean by arbitrary.

The only observed cause capable of producing this is intelligence.

Except it's not what you think it is, so this point is irrelevant.

Anyone arguing against design being the best conclusion and reasonable inference is doing it merely for philosophical reasons.

Or because they have, like me, worked in the area for over 30 years and actually understand it.

Atheist place faith in maybes and one days, we don't.

Nice dig. Obviously I cannot rejoin, since it would get me banned.
 
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It isn't digital. I have no idea what you mean by arbitrary.

Its 100% digital, this is a well established fact of biology. Arbitrary meaning the codon amino cid assignments are not determined by chemistry or physics, another well established fact.

The digital code of DNA | Nature.

Except it's not what you think it is, so this point is irrelevant.

Except it is, and you are uninformed on what the genetic code is. There is no other cause known to produce this. If you have it figured out the Royal Society is offering $10M for a solution, go get your money.

Evolution 2.0 AI & Origin of Life Challenge, $10M Prize | HeroX.

Or because they have, like me, worked in the area for over 30 years and actually understand it.

If you've worked in "the area" for 30 years and dispute that the genetic code is digital, arbitrary, and a literal code then I highly doubt you work in the area. These are all unanimously accepted in academia.

Sure your not lying?

Nice dig. Obviously I cannot rejoin, since it would get me banned.

Just the truth.
 
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The genetic code is a literal digital and arbitrary code.

The only observed cause capable of producing this is intelligence. We only know of intelligence producing what our very bodies contain.

Anyone arguing against design being the best conclusion and reasonable inference is doing it merely for philosophical reasons.

Atheist place faith in maybes and one days, we don't.


Genetics, DNA and the 'genetic code' have no connection with atheism or atheists. Genes and DNA are the product of scientific investigation and discovery. Francis Collins, a practising Christian was heavily involved in the identification of individual genes.

You have a lot to learn.



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Sure your not lying?

Yep, I am sure I am not lying. Also sure you won't be hearing from me again.

Just the truth.

Most deluded people do indeed think their fantasy nonsense is the truth.
 
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Yep, I am sure I am not lying. Also sure you won't be hearing from me again.

OK, what field do you work in specifically?

Most deluded people do indeed think their fantasy nonsense is the truth.

Agreed, thinking the fantasy non sense of abiogenesis and UCD is truth is indeed delusional.
 
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The genetic code is a literal digital and arbitrary code.

The only observed cause capable of producing this is intelligence. We only know of intelligence producing what our very bodies contain.

Anyone arguing against design being the best conclusion and reasonable inference is doing it merely for philosophical reasons.

Atheist place faith in maybes and one days, we don't.
Not really. We have discovered a mechanism by which it can come about naturally.
 
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.. Sure your not lying?
Wow!!

That's gotta be a first! A record for CFs?

Covert accusations of lying directed at another member on the third post of a new thread and your second post overall at CFs!????
 
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Its 100% digital, this is a well established fact of biology. Arbitrary meaning the codon amino acid assignments are not determined by chemistry or physics, another well established fact.

If you don't know how they are determined, then the assignments are an un-established fact, not "well established."
 
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Its 100% digital, this is a well established fact of biology. Arbitrary meaning the codon amino cid assignments are not determined by chemistry or physics, another well established fact.

The digital code of DNA | Nature.
See, what it means when one says 'its a 100% digital' is that this is what one needs in order to explain how it currently works. In other words, its a model humans use to explain to other humans in a way that they can understand.
I wonder how/whether there would be such an explanation had computers and Information Sytems theory had not been, co-incidentally, under development at the same time? After all, that was the co-incident paradigm shift in vogue when Watson and Crick announced their research findings, no?

From the above paper:
We believe that a systems approach to biology is the key. It is clear, however, that this approach poses significant challenges, both scientific and cultural. The discovery of DNA structure started us on this journey, the end of which will be the grand unification of the biological sciences in the emerging, information-based view of biology.
An information systems approach is very much based on people's beliefs and predictions therefrom. Its easily noticeable that it works very well from that singular research avenue purpose and has provided an abundance of practically useful in-roads into issues in Biology, and (as mentioned) the Information Systems approach happened to be very much in vogue around Watson and Crick's time (early 1960s).
Less generally, the purpose for latching onto that particular way of thinking about it (and model) was specifically to explain how genetic information is stored and copied in living organisms ... but who says that is life's 'purpose'? Was that Watson/Crick, (etc)? What is life's purpose? I frankly don't know, but I do know that it necessarily isn't the only question worthy of investigation.

Other unknown model(s), or ways of thinking about life in a natural environment, other than an information systems model, could still produce other insights into how it came about .. we just don't know, yet I do see a lot of work coming from completely different approaches .. namely the field of Molecular Evolution/Biology.
 
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Not knowing - is not knowing.

We know that intelligence is the only known cause capable of producing the genetic code. You have to make inferences and come to the most reasonable conclusion. Design is the best inference.

If you wish to place your faith in maybes and one days, that's fine. Just call it what it is...faith.
 
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