The Flat Earth Bible

[d taylor]

I will agree with you that a literal reading of the Bible does support a Flat Earth, but since the evidence tells us that the Earth is clearly not flat that only means that it is highly likely that the writers of the Bible did not know the spherical nature of the Earth. How does the fact that the Earth is a globe change God's message at all?

Well The Bible is humanity's way to know God and how to receive God's free gift of Eternal Life. I see that as a top purpose for The Bible.

With that said, the shape of the creation does not in a direct way affect, whether a person trust in The Messiah for Eternal Life or not. Many people who believe in a globe earth have received God's free gift of Eternal Life.

It changes the message, because it puts man in charge of deciding what to take as given in The Bible as accurate truth and what is not.

The Bible should be the only source of defining and clarifying areas of The Bible. Outside sources should not be used, as that brings in man as a decider of Biblical truths.

An example of this is Job 26:7 this verse has been translated by not using The Bible as it only source. To determine what the original intent of the verse is saying.

He stretches out the north over empty space;
He hangs the earth on nothing.

Where the above translation is not supported by any other area of The Bible. But is supported by mans idea being influenced indirectly by science. To say, hey look, The Bible is describing a globe earth long before man knew the earth was a globe.

But accurately translated
The Hebrew is:
neteh tsephoon ol tehoo tehleh arets ol belimeh,
The proper translation of which is:
"He spreadeth out the North over the desolate' place (the abyss of waters), and supporteth the Earth upon fastenings (foundations)."

Which is supported by other areas of The Bible as a few times God states in The Bible, the earth is set upon foundations.

Job 38:4 “Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding.

Job 38:6 To what were its foundations fastened? Or who laid its cornerstone,

Psalms 104:5 You who laid the foundations of the earth, So that it should not be moved forever,

Also the word hang
The Hebrew word teleh means to hang, suspend, or support by actual contact (never on nothing). thus, to give a few instances/examples

Genesis 40:19 Within three days Pharaoh will lift off your head from you and hang you on a tree;
and the birds will eat your flesh from you.”

Psalms 137:2 We hung our harps Upon the willows in the midst of it.

Ezekiel 15:3 Is wood taken from it to make any object? Or can men make a peg from it to hang any vessel on?

 

[JohnEmmett]

Also the word hang
The Hebrew word teleh means to hang, suspend, or support by actual contact (never on nothing).

suppose the earth is on something… then what is that thing supported by?


that support must be in space, itself without support


the earth is not supported, except by universal laws

~

 

[d taylor]

suppose the earth is on something… then what is that thing supported by?


that support must be in space, itself without support


the earth is not supported, except by universal laws

~

The earth is founded upon water.

‘You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth;

The earth is the Lord’s, and all its fullness,
The world and those who dwell therein.
For He has founded it upon the seas,
And established it upon the waters.

 

[JohnEmmett]

The earth is founded upon water.

liquid metal is beneath your feet

 

[d taylor]

suppose the earth is on something… then what is that thing supported by?


that support must be in space, itself without support


the earth is not supported, except by universal laws

~

How do you have a bottomless pit on a globe earth

 

[JohnEmmett]

…

 

[JohnEmmett]

How do you have a bottomless pit on a globe earth

there is no such pit

 

[d taylor]

there is no such pit

Really no need to post a verse stating there is, since The Bible is just a book of nice stories to you.

 

[JohnEmmett]

Really no need to post a verse stating there is, since The Bible is just a book of nice stories to you.

the Bible is a wise, impressive, rich collection of writing


clearly inspired, clearly true, even if imperfect

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

suppose the earth is on something… then what is that thing supported by?


that support must be in space, itself without support


the earth is not supported, except by universal laws~

Inlaws or outlaws?

Actually, it's turtles all the way down.

 

[Lulav]

Okay ... let's look at the first one.

Isaiah 40:22a It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth,

If this is speaking of a flat earth, is drawing a circle on a globe, then standing over that circle and looking down, the same thing as saying that globe is flat? of course not.

And as far as what is specifically meant by "the circle of the earth" isn't clear.

Was it the Article circle, before the Arctic circle was drawn (i.e., an anachronism)?

Was it a line of latitude before latitudes were lined (i.e., an anachronism)?

Was it some circle on a map known to Isaiah and his generation?

To say it is referencing a flat earth is overlooking too many other explanations.

I don't understand the premise of drawing a circle on a globe because it sounds like an oxymoron to me.

The Prophet Isaiah is writing to what the creator inspired him to.

Let's start with the actual words to see if we understand what the prophet was saying. It seems to me to be the most logical way to approach this.


To establish this is a writing of a prophet, the 3rd verse of the same chapter that is from says:

"The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God."​

This can be verified in the NT speaking of John the Baptizer

(Matthew 3:1-12; Mark 1:1-8; Luke 3:1-20; John 1:19-28)

"And as far as what is specifically meant by "the circle of the earth" isn't clear."
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Have ye not known? have ye not heard? hath it not been told you from the beginning? have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth?

40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth,
and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers;
that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain,
and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:​

So letting the context help here we can extract that the LORD is the one sitting, far up so that the inhabitants appear as small as grasshoppers. It does not say 'some of them', so we must surmise it is speaking of 'all' the inhabitants which would be difficult no matter how high you are up if He were looking down on a globe.

Stretching out the heavens and spreading them out as a tent also gives us clue to the shape of the earth.

You can't spread a tent over a ball.

Now the word 'circle' in Hebrew is 'chug' It means a vault, circle, circuit, compass

Let's jump back in Isaiah from chapter 40 to chapter 22

"He will roll you up tightly like a ball and throw you into a large country. There you will die and there the chariots you were so proud of will become a disgrace to your master’s house."​

The word used here, like a globe is 'ḵad-dūr' and means round about, like a ball.

I think Isaiah knew the difference between the two.

 

[d taylor]

I don't understand the premise of drawing a circle on a globe because it sounds like an oxymoron to me.

The Prophet Isaiah is writing to what the creator inspired him to.

Let's start with the actual words to see if we understand what the prophet was saying. It seems to me to be the most logical way to approach this.


To establish this is a writing of a prophet, the 3rd verse of the same chapter that is from says:

"The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God."​

This can be verified in the NT speaking of John the Baptizer

(Matthew 3:1-12; Mark 1:1-8; Luke 3:1-20; John 1:19-28)

"And as far as what is specifically meant by "the circle of the earth" isn't clear."
​

Have ye not known? have ye not heard? hath it not been told you from the beginning? have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth?

40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth,
and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers;
that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain,
and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:​

So letting the context help here we can extract that the LORD is the one sitting, far up so that the inhabitants appear as small as grasshoppers. It does not say 'some of them', so we must surmise it is speaking of 'all' the inhabitants which would be difficult no matter how high you are up if He were looking down on a globe.

Stretching out the heavens and spreading them out as a tent also gives us clue to the shape of the earth.

You can't spread a tent over a ball.

Now the word 'circle' in Hebrew is 'chug' It means a vault, circle, circuit, compass

Let's jump back in Isaiah from chapter 40 to chapter 22

"He will roll you up tightly like a ball and throw you into a large country. There you will die and there the chariots you were so proud of will become a disgrace to your master’s house."​

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The word used here, like a globe is 'ḵad-dūr' and means round about, like a ball.


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I think Isaiah knew the difference between the two.

Earth (erets) in The Bible simply means land/ground. It never means a water covered sphere with areas of land scattered around it.

So when Isaiah states in 40:22 It is He who sits above the circle of the earth,

This is speaking to God's original creation, earth that was one piece of land (a plain) in the shape of a circle.

But sadly, science has basically burned the image of a water cover sphere with areas of land scattered upon it.
Into the minds of humanity, so when a person becomes a believer or at least identifies as a christian. When they read the word earth in The Bible

this image

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automatically comes to their mind. The result is most never can break away from science, to see God's true creation described in The Bible.