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So what are mind bending subjects most are concerned with?Not the sort of mind bending subject most are concerned with.
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So what are mind bending subjects most are concerned with?Not the sort of mind bending subject most are concerned with.
God does not create sin.The question is, did God create the heaven which satan dwelt earlier, with sin?
Please point me to which post # you refer to.In view of Genesis 20:6, do you now understand that none necessarily sins in earth apart from God's eternal plan & purpose & so your apparent claim of "there is boasting on earth necessarily & so God doesn't give salvation based on human works" is false?
I was making the distinction between Eternal salvation and Eternal rewards. The former is associated with God's election, the latter with personal obedience.Hebrews 11:9,10 says Abraham believed God for the eternal reward in heaven. It was not given to him based on his works. In light of this, you agree your claim of "eternal rewards based on human works" is false?
Whenever God is active so is Jesus and the Holy Spirit.If God chose to create everything through & for His Son & thus glorified Himself only through His Son, why would He have healed naamam not based on His Son's works who was slain from the foundation of the world (Revelations 13:8)?
Some have this grace for God's purpose - Peter, for example, did not have the grace to resist denying Jesus.Does Jesus who begin faith preserve it as well (Luke 22:32)?
God does not create sin.
God does not create sin.
Please point me to which post # you refer to.
I was making the distinction between Eternal salvation and Eternal rewards. The former is associated with God's election, the latter with personal obedience.
Whenever God is active so is Jesus and the Holy Spirit.
Some have this grace for God's purpose - Peter, for example, did not have the grace to resist denying Jesus.
God does not create sin.
I was making the distinction between Eternal salvation and Eternal rewards. The former is associated with God's election, the latter with personal obedience.
You posted: Ultimately yes, but not all healing comes before death and resurrection.Whenever God is active so is Jesus and the Holy Spirit.
Some have this grace for God's purpose - Peter,
If so, why did satan commit the sin of boasting in heaven? If satan could commit sin in heaven why couldn't humans commit sin in heaven?
We are the first born of a new creation - in our resurrected body we will be perfect like Jesus and will not sin.
Did God stop abimelech from sinning in Genesis 20:6? Does it prove He could stop anyone from sinning? If yes, why do you claim He doesn't give salvation based on human works because there is sinning (boasting) in earth?
God blocked His intent for sin to be accomplished. The intent was there and in that sense there was sin there, but God stopped it from being followed through.
Does Hebrew 11:9,10 say Abraham sought eternal rewards by his personal obedience? Didn't he instead exercise faith to receive eternal rewards?
Faith comes from hearing, but then through obedience comes good works, or from unbelief sin.
You posted: Ultimately yes, but not all healing comes before death and resurrection.
Reply: Do you now agree that there was healing even before the physical event of Christ's death & resurrection but yet based only on His works?
No the cross is a timeless event, and its action and effect spans all of history.
So you don't believe you have the grace whereby your faith will be preserved just as Peter's was?
See responses inside your quote...
Faith for salvation yes... Faith for eternal reward no... as this depends on individual will and obedience.
Can you kindly now give me a break from questions.
See responses inside your quote...
Faith for salvation yes... Faith for eternal reward no... as this depends on individual will and obedience.
Can you kindly now give me a break from questions.
See responses inside your quote...
Faith for salvation yes... Faith for eternal reward no... as this depends on individual will and obedience.
Your responses are beginning to sound like infinite regress arguments. You seem to struggle with simple truths sadly.
You ask obvious questions like how come we can be partially healed now and fully healed at resurrection?
This would seem to be as obvious as the day is light.
Let's take a break - have a cool drink of water - and revisit in a week or so please.
You seem to struggle with simple truths sadly.
You ask obvious questions like how come we can be partially healed now and fully healed at resurrection?
I was prayed for by someone from the US at Ruth Heflin's meeting on the Mount of Olives in the mid eighties and my right hip was immediately healed. Since then I have had three hernia operations. Currently I have a damaged back and other issues common to an older age. In a few years time I will 'cross the Jordan' and be resurrected with a fully healed body. Hence partial and full healing.Are you struggling to find answers to my questions? Do you want more time to answer?
What is partial healing & full healing?
I was prayed for by someone from the US at Ruth Heflin's meeting on the Mount of Olives in the mid eighties and my right hip was immediately healed. Since then I have had three hernia operations. Currently I have a damaged back and other issues common to an older age. In a few years time I will 'cross the Jordan' and be resurrected with a fully healed body. Hence partial and full healing.
and the discussion never ends..
I was prayed for by someone from the US at Ruth Heflin's meeting on the Mount of Olives in the mid eighties and my right hip was immediately healed.
In a few years time I will 'cross the Jordan' and be resurrected with a fully healed body.
So you visited the meeting for healing because you didn't have faith in Christ's death & resurrection to have already healed you 2000 years back?
Should the discussion end after truth is arrived at in the answers OR after answers which aren't coherent with Scripture?
No I was led to the meeting to be healed through what Jesus did for me 2000 years back...
In who's opinion?
You have a theological agenda that you choose not to disclose and call into judgement those who who don't comply by asking a string of inane questions that I have had the patience to put up with, whereas other posters have given up long ago.
I have walked the 'way' at quite some cost for over 45 years and seen Jesus bring healing and release to lives as He has moved. If you have a problem with that, then I suggest you talk to someone else, that will save you a lot of time being dissatisfied with my answers.
In the meantime please enjoy the Lord and see the fruit that endorses the theological position you hold (whatever that is)
No I was led to the meeting to be healed through what Jesus did for me 2000 years back...
In who's opinion?
1) Does one need to visit healing meetings even after having faith through the gospel which was earlier confirmed through healing miracles?
2) Did Jesus say "I prayed for you & that was why you were healed", to the woman who had the issue of blood for 12 years?
3) Do healing meetings cater only to those who haven't yet experienced healing miracles in order to confirm the gospel they heard (Mark 16:20)?
(4.)Without digressing, can you answer as to whether opinions ought to cohere with Scripture?
1. I think we need to first define what faith is...
2. Did Jesus say confess your sins to one another and pray for one another that you may be healed?
3. No. I had experienced many healings before going to the meeting.
4. Can you answer why on earth you felt the need to ask the question.
I think my time would be better spent responding to those who need help and are prepared to listen rather than those who like to play theological games.
Did Jesus say confess your sins to one another and pray for one another that you may be healed?
No. I had experienced many healings before going to the meeting.
my time would be better spent responding to those who need help and
1) Is the purpose of a healing miracle to confirm the gospel OR give complete healing?
2) Is the prayer of another person necessary in order to be healed? If yes, how was the woman in Mathew 9:22 healed without prayer?
Earlier you said they were partial healings (miracles) not complete healings (abundance). So you agree prayers of others lead only to partial healings in order to confirm the gospel & not to be healed completely?
Is it better to respond to those in need after knowing truth better?
This thread has degenerated into complete nonsense.