Roman Catechism or CCC?

[Virgil the Roman]

True; I guess the thread has served its purpose. See you in the St. Francis De Sales thread!

 

[vijendrasnv]

Hi,
Thank you very much! The funny thing is, you didn't say anything I really didn't already know, I just needed someone to connect the dots for me I guess. [FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']Read the Roman Catechism and the Holy Council of Trent they both help. Plus, the Roman Catechism is clearer and more straightforward than the CCC.[/FONT]

 

[Virgil the Roman]

Ja; 'Tis so indeed friend. Would you care to inquire more thereupon, feel free to post a question in the sub-forum of OBOB proper or PM my inbox.

Blessed Trinity bless thee!
-Matthaeus

 

[Mary's Bhoy]

I prefer the Roman Catechism over the CCC, though I appreciate how the CCC goes into details on a few more issues than the Roman Catechism.

My Baltimore Catechism Vol. 3 beats them all though !

Regards,
Jon Paul.

 

[Virgil the Roman]

Probably, Jon Paul; my Baltimore Catechism has pictures too! And I've got volumes 1 & 2 of them.

 

[Mary's Bhoy]

Probably, Jon Paul; my Baltimore Catechism has pictures too!

Aah! Lucky, my own don't. I got mine at Baronius Press !

And I've got volumes 1 & 2 of them.

So have I !

Regards,
Jon Paul.

 

[Cain Spencer]

I'm a bit frightened right now.

All my teachers in the faith have always told me that the Church has never changed her docrine; and I do still believe that. But I have a problem. I was talking with some Orthodox about Original Sin and they were of the opinion that the Church believes that all unbaptized persons carry the guilt of Original Sin. This is denied by the CCC (I don't have it with me right now, I'll quote it later), but is affirmed by the Roman Catechism. The Roman Catechism also states emphatically that children who die without baptism cannot obtain salvation, while the CCC acknowledges the possibility of their salvation. I'm a faithful Catholic kid, but I don't know what to do. Any advice?

I am a bit annoyed at you jude child. I know you from CAF, Catholic Answers Forums and I thought you knew better than this.

 

[2WhomShallWeGo]

I'm a bit frightened right now.

All my teachers in the faith have always told me that the Church has never changed her doctrine;

true
She doesn't

What the church says is that the sacraments are the *ordinary* means of our salvation. with out them you are toast, ordinarily.

Ordinarily, but Christ has an infinitude of means by which He may choose to save us. The Church and her sacraments offer us visible signs of this salvation and a treasury of grace. The church herself lists baptism by desire and baptism by blood as means besides baptism by water.

What it comes down to is that Christ is not some Svengally looking to trip us up. Rather He asks us as He asked Peter "Do you love me?" when we reply with yes, He then provides us with means to love him better. those means are accompanied by physical signs, like water and such, that assure our undeveloped faith of His presence, while we grow.

Next time ask a good solid devote Catholic what the church teaches first, or if you can't find one pester me. I've noticed that there are at least a few here who can answer questions on the church competently.

the Catholic Church is not one to tie Christs hands, She is just his most frequently used hands.
JMJ