New Seats in European Parliament?

[Love365]

Some questions are so complicated and difficult,
they may require EU membership to solve them.

 

[Paulos23]

Some questions are so complicated and difficult,
they may require EU membership to solve them.

I don't see how an EU membership would solve the current issue at all.

Putin wants Ukraine under his influance. Ukraine wants to be in the EU. These are two separate goals that both being in the EU would not solve.

 

[Desk trauma]

Some questions are so complicated and difficult,
they may require EU membership to solve them.

No question of that level has been posed in this thread.

 

[Love365]

No question of that level has been posed in this thread.

Many of Russia’s port cities freeze during the winter.

Would Russia keep the port cities in Crimea?

Would some countries give Russia new port cities to replace Crimea?

 

[Desk trauma]

Many of Russia’s port cities freeze during the winter.

So?

Would Russia keep the port cities in Crimea?

Hopefully they are driven out of that region entirely.

Would some countries give Russia new port cities to replace Crimea?

Russias aggression should not be rewarded.

 

[Love365]

So?



Hopefully they are driven out of that region entirely.



Russias aggression should not be rewarded.

But the Russian Navy has always used the ports in Crimea.
Even after the Soviet Union gave Crimea to Ukraine.

They never expected the Soviet Union to end.

 

[Desk trauma]

But the Russian Navy has always used the ports in Crimea.
Even after the Soviet Union gave Crimea to Ukraine.

They never expected the Soviet Union to end.

Too bad.

 

[Paulos23]

But the Russian Navy has always used the ports in Crimea.
Even after the Soviet Union gave Crimea to Ukraine.

They never expected the Soviet Union to end.

Then they should have rented a port from Ukraine instead of taking the whole peninsula when Ukraine left the Soviet Union. Or brokered a deal to use the ports.

There where several ways this could have been handled peacefully. Instead Russa took it, and now is trying to take more of Ukraine. It is not going well for them and they will have a high price to pay if they lose.

 

[Arcangl86]

But the Russian Navy has always used the ports in Crimea.
Even after the Soviet Union gave Crimea to Ukraine.

They never expected the Soviet Union to end.

Russia had a treaty with Ukraine allowing them to base the Black Sea Fleet in Crimea. They broke that treaty in 2014 by invading Ukraine.

 

[Love365]

Russia had a treaty with Ukraine allowing them to base the Black Sea Fleet in Crimea. They broke that treaty in 2014 by invading Ukraine.

Did the treaty still exist at that time?

The Ukraine government had just been overthrown
by people that wanted a free trade agreement with the EU.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Did the treaty still exist at that time?

The Ukraine government had just been overthrown
by people that wanted a free trade agreement with the EU.

How would the removal of the president (by parliament) negate an international treaty?

 

[Love365]

How would the removal of the president (by parliament) negate an international treaty?

Russia was afraid Ukraine would break the treaty.

If you want less fear and more trust,
Russia and Ukraine could join the European Union.

 

[SimplyMe]

Russia was afraid Ukraine would break the treaty.

If you want less fear and more trust,
Russia and Ukraine could join the European Union.

Does this mean the US, if they are "afraid" that Russia is going to use Nuclear weapons against Ukraine (breaking treaties the US and Russia have) that the US should go ahead and preemptively send nuclear missiles to bomb Russia?

Or maybe the US needs to join the EU, too (I suppose brining China and Taiwan along, as well -- in fact, maybe even the entire UN)?

 

[Hans Blaster]

Russia was afraid Ukraine would break the treaty.

If you want less fear and more trust,
Russia and Ukraine could join the European Union.

How exactly was Ukraine going to "break the treaty" with Russia? Specifically the lease of the Naval Base at Sevastapol?

Virtually any method would have been an act of war by Ukraine. Do you think the Ukrainians wanted Russia to leave the naval base at Sevastapol so badly they would attack a nuclear power? It makes no sense.

And for the 100th time:

Russia doesn't want to join the EU.
Russia doesn't want to join NATO.

Russia *DOES* want to control Ukraine, directly or indirectly. And that's precisely what the 2014 ouster was about: Removing a Russian puppet government.

 

[Love365]

How exactly was Ukraine going to "break the treaty" with Russia? Specifically the lease of the Naval Base at Sevastapol?

Virtually any method would have been an act of war by Ukraine. Do you think the Ukrainians wanted Russia to leave the naval base at Sevastapol so badly they would attack a nuclear power? It makes no sense.

Russia was suffering from fear and paranoia,
because NATO had slowly moved closer and closer
to the Russian border.

 

[Paulos23]

Russia was suffering from fear and paranoia,
because NATO had slowly moved closer and closer
to the Russian border.

Replace Russia with Putin there, and you will have it right.

Putin doesn't want NATO there because NATO has accepted several countries that where part of the Soviet Union that Putin wants back. NATO is not set up to attack him, but it is set up to deffend from agresssion in and out of Europe, which stops him from bringing those countries back into Russia. Putin has said as much, his goal is to reunify Russia back to its old size.

That said, there is a reason those old soviet countries wanted to join NATO, they feared what is happening to Ukriane now. And by invading Ukriane, Putin has shown they where right to fear.

If Putin was not so agressive, NATO would have desolved or decrease its alertness. It might have in another decade or two if Putin stayed quiet. Now they are back to high alert and even Germany is spending more on its army.

I don't see any reason to appease Putin. This is all his doing.

 

[Arcangl86]

Russia was afraid Ukraine would break the treaty.

Russia was afraid that Ukraine would break the treaty so they broke the treaty first? That makes no sense.

Russia was suffering from fear and paranoia,
because NATO had slowly moved closer and closer
to the Russian border.

Russia has shared a border with NATO members for almost 20 years. Not to mention that both the US and NATO ally Japan have easy sea access to Russian.

 

[Love365]

Russia has shared a border with NATO members for almost 20 years. Not to mention that both the US and NATO ally Japan have easy sea access to Russian.

Russia was never really afraid of the tiny Baltic countries.

Most of Russia’s population is on the European side of Russia.

Japan and Alaska is far, far, away from most Russians.

 

[Arcangl86]

Russia was never really afraid of the tiny Baltic countries.

Most of Russia’s population is on the European side of Russia.

Japan and Alaska is far, far, away from most Russians.

I thought the concern was "NATO moving slowly closer and closer." If it is, it doesn't matter if country sharing a border is tiny or not.

 

[Love365]

I thought the concern was "NATO moving slowly closer and closer." If it is, it doesn't matter if country sharing a border is tiny or not.

The Baltic countries have a small border with Russia.

The Baltic countries have a small population.

They are unlikely to threaten Russia.