Multiple Universes

[JohnEmmett]

Sure whatever you say.

you say you have faith

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Another person who does not understand the difference between faith and science.
In science, no evidence equals it didn't happen.
Faith is the evidence of things not seen.

This is not about differences, it's about similaritues. You don't seem to understand the similarity between fiction and science fiction.

 

[JohnEmmett]

fiction.

Too simplistic

The Bible has wisdom and insight

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Too simplistic

The Bible has wisdom and insight

Fiction may have wisdom and insight.

 

[JohnEmmett]

Fiction may have wisdom and insight.

Yes…

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

I have no problem with considering the idea of a multi verse, but it's not a scientific idea until there's some kind of evidence. That's how science works. It doesn't have to be proven per say but there has to be reasonable evidence for it to be even a theory.

That's not strictly true - physical multiverses are more than pure speculation, they're predictions of widely accepted physical theories, given some simple assumptions. Such predictions are, and always have been, commonplace in science, and much of scientific knowledge results from demonstrations of them, e.g. black holes.

Many well-tested theories also make untestable predictions that are unremarkable, but such predictions are rarely called out as 'unscientific' - it is when predictions are both untestable and remarkable that scientific hackles are raised. But when the testable predictions of scientific theories can produce such remarkable paradigm shifts in physical worldview as Relativity and Quantum Mechanics, and so on, it seems perverse to call their (currently) untestable predictions 'unscientific'. YMMV.

 

[grasping the after wind]

How would one define universe to include more than one? My understanding of universe is all existing matter and space. I would have to discard that definition to consider the possibility that there is more than one universe.

 

[JohnEmmett]

The Multiverse

The definition of the self and the individual becomes vague, because there can be an equally infinite number of "selves of me" all traversing the timelines simultaneously.​

 

[grasping the after wind]

Does no one have a definition of universe that would allow me to consider the possibility of multiple universes? The definition I have been using my entire life insists that the universe is all existing matter and space. If one is speaking of multiple matter and space, one is not by that definition speaking of multiple universes but of separate parts of the universe.

 

[JohnEmmett]

Does no one have a definition

Does no one read or understand

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

How would one define universe to include more than one? My understanding of universe is all existing matter and space. I would have to discard that definition to consider the possibility that there is more than one universe.

The definition of the term changes (has changed) over time. When it was first realised that the fuzzy stars outside our galaxies were distant galaxies in their own right, they were initially called 'island universes'...

With the advent of multiverse hypotheses, the most common definition seems to involve volumes of spacetime 'beyond our ken', i.e. significant volumes comparable to the known extent of our own spacetime (though potentially with different physical laws) but forever inaccessible/unknowable (although there are theoretical exceptions).

Perhaps the term 'universe' will eventually encompass all such volumes and a new word will be coined for them, but it seems unlikely now.

 

[JohnEmmett]

Only a privileged few … may gain the ability to break free of the restrictions and cross between timelines or experience other timelines completely unrelated to their own.

The Multiverse

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Only a privileged few … may gain the ability to break free of the restrictions and cross between timelines or experience other timelines completely unrelated to their own.

The Multiverse

TV multiverse tropes are fictional.

 

[JohnEmmett]

TV multiverse tropes are fictional.

Do you not learn from fiction?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Do you not learn from fiction?

Yes, but not about reality. For that, we have science.

 

[JohnEmmett]

Yes, but not about reality. For that, we have science.

Imagination can explore any possibility

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Imagination can explore any possibility

Imagination can go beyond what is possible, and even what is possible is not necessarily what is real.

 

[JohnEmmett]

even what is possible is not necessarily what is real.

A writer is trying to speak truly…

 

[grasping the after wind]

Does no one read or understand

One can read anything, but one can only come to understanding if what one has read makes logical sense. Without a clear definition a word is nothing more than gibberish. If one cannot define the words and terms one uses one ought not to consider others will understand what one is trying to say. Vagueness is unhelpful for understanding to be achieved. If one cannot explain one's ideas in terms others can easily understand one might as well keep one's ideas to oneself.

 

[JohnEmmett]

If one cannot explain one's ideas

you will not find a better explanation

… The Multiverse