Is the international Church of Christ ministry a false doctrine ministry ?

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The ICOC ministry has been a controversial ministry ever since its creation but they have been way less controversial these last few decades. They even changed some of their doctrine. With its doctrine updates is it still a false doctrine ministry or was it ever a false doctrine ministry ?
 

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ICOC could mean many things, but if you mean International church of Christ, they are a splinter of the US churches of Christ, so they have restoration movement origins.

They initially had very strict requirements\workload on membership/discipleship and tended to the exclusivist c of C view that not only is baptism an integral part of becoming a Christian but one must believe that you are being baptized to be saved for a baptism to be valid. There was at times in the movement some coercive leadership issues.

There are various groups that operate under that name currently, some have become (in my terms) more mature. I have heard that some ICOC membership attended an evangelism seminar with the other 3 streams of the RM in Australia (ie Australian Churches of Christ, church of Christ (ie non-instrumental) and churches with origins from the US Christian Church/churches of Christ. (Note, there are no Disciples of Christ in Australia.)
 
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ICOC could mean many things, but if you mean International church of Christ, they are a splinter of the US churches of Christ, so they have restoration movement origins.

They initially had very strict requirements\workload on membership/discipleship and tended to the exclusivist c of C view that not only is baptism an integral part of becoming a Christian but one must believe that you are being baptized to be saved for a baptism to be valid. There was at times in the movement some coercive leadership issues.

There are various groups that operate under that name currently, some have become (in my terms) more mature. I have heard that some ICOC membership attended an evangelism seminar with the other 3 streams of the RM in Australia (ie Australian Churches of Christ, church of Christ (ie non-instrumental) and churches with origins from the US Christian Church/churches of Christ. (Note, there are no Disciples of Christ in Australia.)
To make it even more confusing for the outsider, here in the U.S.A. we have an assorted variety of "Christian" churches. Some are at the liberal end of the spectrum such as the Disciples of Christ and some are at the other end of the spectrum, believing in salvation by faith in water immersion in their church (brand) only. In my locality we have rapidly diminishing Disciples of Christ churches and equally rapid diminishing Churches of Christ. As for the ICOC, I am unaware that they are active here.
 
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As for the ICOC, I am unaware that they are active here.
Another name for their original iteration was the 'Boston Movement.' They were always fairly rare outside of major cities. The ethos was to marry Restorationist doctrine with the discipleship methods of the JWs or even perhaps Christian Science. Naturally, this made the Boston Movement a magnet for abusive narcissists. They operated on the boundaries of cultishness.
 
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Another name for their original iteration was the 'Boston Movement.' They were always fairly rare outside of major cities. The ethos was to marry Restorationist doctrine with the discipleship methods of the JWs or even perhaps Christian Science. Naturally, this made the Boston Movement a magnet for abusive narcissists. They operated on the boundaries of cultishness.

Interesting. Given its location as the home base of Unitarianism and Christian Science, the name of Boston sadly has a connotation with heterodoxy.
 
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Interesting. Given its location as the home base of Unitarianism and Christian Science, the name of Boston sadly has a connotation with heterodoxy.
It seems quite peculiar to me as to how such a movement could have originated in Boston. I understand Boston (and Harvard's) connection with Unitarianism and, less so, with Universalism. Christian Science's connection to Boston seems to have been much less with the general ethos than with the particular personality of Mrs. Eddy. If Mrs. White had lived in Boston I think it quite like that the SDA might have originated there.

As you know from history, the breeding ground in the early nineteenth century for various religious movements was primarily upstate New York, known as the "Burnt Over Ground".
 
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As you know from history, the breeding ground in the early nineteenth century for various religious movements was primarily upstate New York, known as the "Burnt Over Ground".

Considering NXIVM was based in Albany, apparently it still is.

But these days the real centers of the occult are places like Ojai and Sedona.
 
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Considering NXIVM was based in Albany, apparently it still is.

But these days the real centers of the occult are places like Ojai and Sedona.
Yes, beginning in the early years of the last century there was a marked increase of unusual religious (what we would now call New Age) gurus ranging from the relatively benign such as Gustav Stickley and the Roycrofters (a separate group from Stickley) in New York state, to folks like Aimee Semple MacPherson in the California region. California seems to be a magnet for these types of groups.
 
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Yes, beginning in the early years of the last century there was a marked increase of unusual religious (what we would now call New Age) gurus ranging from the relatively benign such as Gustav Stickley and the Roycrofters (a separate group from Stickley) in New York state, to folks like Aimee Semple MacPherson in the California region. California seems to be a magnet for these types of groups.
yes, it is, and I lived in a magnet area. Sonoma County. Sebastopol,ca they like all things alternative, they are fleeing the repressiveness of traditional religion and it's culture, and are looking for something else to replace it.
 
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yes, it is, and I lived in a magnet area. Sonoma County. Sebastopol,ca they like all things alternative, they are fleeing the repressiveness of traditional religion and it's culture, and are looking for something else to replace it.
The problem, of course, is that the grass is far from greener on the other side of the fence.
 
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Yes, beginning in the early years of the last century there was a marked increase of unusual religious (what we would now call New Age) gurus ranging from the relatively benign such as Gustav Stickley and the Roycrofters (a separate group from Stickley) in New York state, to folks like Aimee Semple MacPherson in the California region. California seems to be a magnet for these types of groups.

And Sedona in Arizona.
 
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Interesting. Given its location as the home base of Unitarianism and Christian Science, the name of Boston sadly has a connotation with heterodoxy.
Boston ended up being its largest congregation. The actual movement started in a Church of Christ in Gainesville, Florida in the late 70s. One young man from the Gainesville church, Kip McKean, took the position of lead elder at the Church of Christ in Lexington, MA on the condition that every member agreed to be 'totally committed'. He then introduced the aggressive evangelism tactics and discipling that would mark the group, variously known as the "Crossroads Movement" (after the Gainesville church) and the "Boston Movement".

That said, the ICOC wasn't so much heterodox (especially by mainstream Church of Christ doctrine) as it was aberrant in practice, taking the already exclusivist COC teachings to their furthest extremes.
 
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