Gravity - is it really there?

[Estrid]

Not everyone, no, not by any twist of the imagination.

Scripture is not open to private understanding. If the Father Reveals Scripture , if the Father opens someones mind to the truth, If the Father grants faith and understanding, then it is done.
If not, then it is not.

Everyone abiding in Jesus is one with the Father and one with the Son. Perfectly so. Spiritually obvious. Worldly not understood.

Exactly. You think you have the one True
interpretation. Just like everyone else.

 

[Estrid]

No. turtle pets that the first man and woman took care of did not fly. That was before sin. Before the devil was given jurisdiction over the world.

You are just making things up.

 

[Estrid]

You make a big mistake here. "No interpretation" is permitted according to Scripture, and I agree no interpretation is permitted.

That would be demanding the impossible.
So you are interpreting it wrong.

 

[Estrid]

Gravity. Perhaps it was /is/ just something somebody made up?
Science.
Astronomy.
Medcial.
Finance.
Commerce.

What is something that is not made up by someone ? Especially anomous internet traffic/forums/media etc etc etc

So dodge that you make things up by pointing at
someone else. That's childish.

 

[Diamond7]

Hence 40,000 sects.

There are only 7 churches. Although some of them seem to be a combination of two. Rev 7:4 "To the seven churches"

 

[Diamond7]

And Moses spoke of Jesus.

Moses just said that Jesus is the ONLY one that can add to what we receive from Moses in the Torah. Although people like David do an amazing job of explaining to us what Moses said.

 

[Diamond7]

Referencing Gandalf to make some point does not entail the assertion that he existed.

It is REAL easy in the Bible. IF they have a name they are a real person.

 

[Mark Quayle]

I think as astronauts experience zero gravity it is quite obvious the further we get from the devil, the less we feel him pulling us to the darkness

I hope you are trying to be funny. It is not due to their distance from earth that astronauts 'experience zero gravity' as you call it.

 

[Mark Quayle]

If it's historical why does it have the flood story.

Fat lady hasn't sung yet, on that one. Just sayin'

 

[Mark Quayle]

He didn't affirm; he referenced.

Referencing Gandalf to make some point does not entail the assertion that he existed.

You have a point.

But is there no implied truth from the words referencing what happened in those days? "...they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away..." He is not talking about something like a parable, as far as I can tell.

 

[Tinker Grey]

You have a point.

But is there no implied truth from the words referencing what happened in those days? "...they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away..." He is not talking about something like a parable, as far as I can tell.

Maybe. I don't know. But you could reference the behavior of the children in Hogwarts to make a point without the children being real. For example, whether or not Noah existed, the story exists and "eating and drinking" is part of that story and the listeners knew the story understood(?) the point whether or not the story actually happened.

One could say that because of the theological concept of kenosis that Jesus himself didn't really know whether it happened.

 

[Estrid]

Maybe. I don't know. But you could reference the behavior of the children in Hogwarts to make a point without the children being real. For example, whether or not Noah existed, the story exists and "eating and drinking" is part of that story and the listeners knew the story understood(?) the point whether or not the story actually happened.

One could say that because of the theological concept of kenosis that Jesus himself didn't really know whether it happened.

Superstitious, credulous days.
Even more so than today.
( was it only yesterday when Americans
killed themselves to join the " heavens gate"
comet?)

 

[Diamond7]

If it's historical why does it have the flood story.

The literal flood is real. But also there is a symbolic or archetypal flood. We have rules for how to interpret the Bible.

 

[JohnEmmett]

The literal flood is real.

youtu.be/laXhTcko-lg?t=638

The Moon Revealed

 

[Diamond7]

The Moon Revealed

The moon is hallow and placed there by aliens?

 

[Diamond7]

But you could reference the behavior of the children in Hogwarts to make a point without the children being real.

I had my son take a literature class so he could understand the rules for the interpretation of literature. It was a college-level class and I remember the book had been revised 22 times. There are different rules based on if we are looking at the literal or the archetypal symbolic Bible. The Hasidic study Kaballah - a deeper way of looking at the Bible. You only need the literal to be saved. The symbolic is more advanced and can become very advanced. Although children can understand Disney movies and they use archetypes.

 

[Diamond7]

What do you think?

If you want to know about gravity, ask Musk. It is pretty amazing the way he is able to land those rockets. Nasa use to spend billions and now they can buy space x rockets for a lot less money. The further you go from the planet the more money it is going to cost you for fuel. They may not know all there is to know, but there are some pretty accurate formulas that they use. Both my son's have degrees in engineering, so they know how to work with formulas and get the job done.

 

[Estrid]

And Moses spoke of Jesus. Those who do not believe Moses, do not believe Jesus either.

It's not about believing Jesus, it's about
believing you. Don't overestimate yourself
as infallible.

There was no flood.

Since you are clearly and unambiguously wrong
about the "flood", evidenced ONLY by a book
that you read to say what you choose-your
status as an infallible is lacking.

Jesus was either talking, as was berines
his wont, metaphorically, or.he didn't know
any better.
In today's world we know better.

Your claim is untenable and has you accusing
God of a hideous atrocity.

 

[Aaron112]

Don't overestimate yourself
as infallible.

There was no flood.

So you won't believe me when I tell the truth,
yet you readily believe other one who says there was no flood ....
Don't overestimate them, or yourself.

 

[Estrid]

So you won't believe me when I tell the truth,
yet you readily believe other one who says there was no flood ....
Don't overestimate them, or yourself.

Cute, try to put your arrogance and error on me.

What do I believe?
I believe you think you are an infallible
interpreter, a poseesser of Truth, and that you
think you know better than the educated
Christians, and know more about geology
and biology than any scientist on earth.*

None of which is credible, for all that it is
most self exalting. *

* see "overestimation"