FDA greenlights updated vaccines that better target currently circulating variants

[Pommer]

Straw man logical fallacy here. The argument is NOT that MRNA is "new".

Then correct my opinion with facts.

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

Then correct my opinion with facts.

Your example used here is fallacious. Previous poster to whom you were responding states accurately that the definition of "vaccine" was changed to include this product which does not actually prevent disease as originally stated nonstop. The lie was quickly exposed and the narrative changed, immediately followed by the gaslighting (Well, we NEVER said it prevented transmission. Uh huh).

 

[Ana the Ist]

Pfizer and Moderna Are Pushing the New Covid Booster. Should You Get It? The CDC Is About to Decide. - KFF Health News

Chances are, if you aren’t older, chronically ill, or obese, you don’t need a forthcoming covid vaccine to stay out of the hospital. But it probably wouldn’t hurt.

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“I don’t plan to get it myself,” said Paul Offit, 72, the director of the Vaccine Education Center at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia. He’s had two boosters and got covid last year. Another vaccine might increase his protection against mild infection for a few months, but like most Americans’ immune systems, his is already familiar enough with the virus to protect him from serious disease, Offit believes.

Who is this guy? Well he's one of the experts suggesting everyone get vaccinated and boosted in 2021.

Are there long-term myocarditis risks after Covid vaccination?

Both Pfizer and Moderna are launching clinical trials to track health issues — if any — in the years following a diagnosis of vaccine-associated heart problems in teens and young adults.

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"In some cases, people who’ve developed myocarditis after a viral infection can suffer scarring along the heart’s tissue, reducing its ability to pump blood and circulate oxygen around the body, said Dr. Leslie Cooper, the chair of the department of cardiology at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minnesota. Cooper joined an expert advisory panel formed by Moderna to monitor its Covid vaccine safety.

It’s unknown how many people with vaccine-associated myocarditis will experience this scarring, he said, noting that about 20% of people with myocarditis linked to viruses go on to experience heart failure.


“It could be 2%. It could be 0%. It could be 20%,” he said, referring to the percentage of people with vaccine-associated myocarditis who could experience long-term heart consequences. “We don’t know the answer."

Hmm....you'd think these clowns would already know if the vaccines did some kind of long term heart damage.

They don't though...they just skipped that part of the tests.

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[Pommer]

Your example used here is fallacious. Previous poster to whom you were responding states accurately that the definition of "vaccine" was changed to include this product which does not actually prevent disease as originally stated nonstop. The lie was quickly exposed and the narrative changed, immediately followed by the gaslighting (Well, we NEVER said it prevented transmission. Uh huh).

New tech is supposed to work as good as old-reliable tech that would have gotten the (real) vaccine to market by 2026?
Who knew?

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

Pfizer and Moderna Are Pushing the New Covid Booster. Should You Get It? The CDC Is About to Decide. - KFF Health News

Chances are, if you aren’t older, chronically ill, or obese, you don’t need a forthcoming covid vaccine to stay out of the hospital. But it probably wouldn’t hurt.

www.google.com

“I don’t plan to get it myself,” said Paul Offit, 72, the director of the Vaccine Education Center at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia. He’s had two boosters and got covid last year. Another vaccine might increase his protection against mild infection for a few months, but like most Americans’ immune systems, his is already familiar enough with the virus to protect him from serious disease, Offit believes.

Who is this guy? Well he's one of the experts suggesting everyone get vaccinated and boosted in 2021.

Are there long-term myocarditis risks after Covid vaccination?

Both Pfizer and Moderna are launching clinical trials to track health issues — if any — in the years following a diagnosis of vaccine-associated heart problems in teens and young adults.

www.google.com

"In some cases, people who’ve developed myocarditis after a viral infection can suffer scarring along the heart’s tissue, reducing its ability to pump blood and circulate oxygen around the body, said Dr. Leslie Cooper, the chair of the department of cardiology at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minnesota. Cooper joined an expert advisory panel formed by Moderna to monitor its Covid vaccine safety.

It’s unknown how many people with vaccine-associated myocarditis will experience this scarring, he said, noting that about 20% of people with myocarditis linked to viruses go on to experience heart failure.


“It could be 2%. It could be 0%. It could be 20%,” he said, referring to the percentage of people with vaccine-associated myocarditis who could experience long-term heart consequences. “We don’t know the answer."

Hmm....you'd think these clowns would already know if the vaccines did some kind of long term heart damage.

They don't though...they just skipped that part of the tests.

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Paul Offit is the most virulent pro-vaccine pusher who has existed within the last century. He once said that “each infant would have the theoretical capacity to respond to about 10 000 vaccines at any one time (obtained by dividing 107 B cells per mL by 103 epitopes per vaccine).” i.e. that an infant can respond to the challenge posed by the antigens in 10,000 vaccines." leading to a Change.org petition for HIM to take 10,000 vaccines at once, which he, of course, declined.

If Offit - of all people- indicates caution is in order, even the blindly adherent should listen.

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

New tech is supposed to work as good as old-reliable tech that would have gotten the (real) vaccine to market by 2026?
Who knew?

Irrelevant response.

It should never have happened at all, much less been rushed.

 

[NxNW]

It should never have happened at all,

What never should have happened at all?

much less been rushed.

What was rushed?

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

What never should have happened at all?

What was rushed?

All of it. The lab leak, which is the most likely thing that happened, as was finally admitted. The stupidity in handling everything. The vaccine. The mandating and targeting and hideously wrong demonization of "the unvaccinated", when in reality, everyone was going to get exposed to this virus, most would have mild symptoms (and some asymptomatic), and 98% were going to be fine.

As always, the elderly and/or those with co-morbidities should and did distance themselves to protect them as long as possible. The doctors advocating the "Great Barrington Declaration" were proven correct, but the official narrative silenced them as much as possible.

 

[Aaron112]

Paul Offit is the most virulent pro-vaccine pusher who has existed within the last century. He once said that “each infant would have the theoretical capacity to respond to about 10 000 vaccines at any one time

Well remembering "they shall drink any deadly thing and not suffer harm from it"
doesn't mean they should.

 

[Aaron112]

and 98% were going to be fine.

This was never disproven..... of course....
instead, those 98% who would have been fine (if the gov and docs had stayed out of it),
were harnessed with what, a trillion dollar debt to pay for attempted harm to all possible
and subjected to overarching restrictions that made things not fine, not good, but rather harmful to everyone.

 

[Aaron112]

This is worth reading again, just in case others were not paying attention.

yes, maybe....
yet even those who are truly seeking truth in all things,
to read so much of the mess the usa and the world is in ;
so many inputs, so many voices, subject to and controlled by the elite (for lack of better option at this point now)
"paying attention" to what ? The deceivers in the media, gov and big farm ?
It is mind numbing.

 

[Ceallaigh]

2020 became the beginning end of the world. Not because of the virus. But because of how badly it was handled and exploited. Which included people voting an incompetent clearly senile man into the white house to save us from the plague.​

 

[Belk]

Paul Offit is the most virulent pro-vaccine pusher who has existed within the last century. He once said that “each infant would have the theoretical capacity to respond to about 10 000 vaccines at any one time (obtained by dividing 107 B cells per mL by 103 epitopes per vaccine).” i.e. that an infant can respond to the challenge posed by the antigens in 10,000 vaccines." leading to a Change.org petition for HIM to take 10,000 vaccines at once, which he, of course, declined.

If Offit - of all people- indicates caution is in order, even the blindly adherent should listen.

Pro-vaccine pusher? As opposed to what? Pro children getting sick from preventable illness?

 

[Aaron112]

New King James Version

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30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn.....

At that time, too late for those who went along with the world opposed to Jesus.

 

[Pommer]

New tech is supposed to work as good as old-reliable tech that would have gotten the (real) vaccine to market by 2026?
Who knew?

Irrelevant response.

It should never have happened at all, much less been rushed.

Not “irrelevant”.
The complaint was that the vaccines weren’t made by the old process of isolating the virus, replicating huge quantities of it to find out a way to make it inert while providing protection for vaccine recipients. You know, the normal 3-10+ year process that was the gold standard.

Instead they were able to sequence the SARS-CoV-2 genome, then cobble together a substance that afforded some level of protection in MONTHS.

Another complaint was that there was no “long term data” on the side-effects of the mRNA vaccines, which is sort of like complaining about no reliability data on a brand new car design.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Another complaint was that there was no “long term data” on the side-effects of the mRNA vaccines, which is sort of like complaining about no reliability data on a brand new car design.

There's a few problems with the "no long term data" objection that many people made. (and was just an excuse for not wanting to take it and an attempt to justify defiance)

First and foremost, every therapeutic is "new" at some point, so it's one of those situations where if the standard was always "having to have long term data", then nothing would ever make it to market. Amoxicillin, at one point, "had no long term data" There has to be a certain level of market usage in order to accrue said data.

The second aspect is that I don't necessarily buy the "we don't know enough about it/it's too new" angle espoused by many as being a sincere, consistent objection. Primarily, because they gravitated toward other drugs they'd just heard of, and that were also very new. The fact that so many people who said "the vaccine is too new", were all-in on the monoclonal antibody treatments (that were also brand new and authorized under the same EUA as the vaccines) kind of shoots holes through the "I won't take anything that's new" stance.

When you take into account that research on mRNA trials for respiratory viruses were in Phase II & III clinical trials going back to 2008, and Ivermectin (which they seemed to be really into) wasn't used in a widespread fashion until the mid-90's, it's not as if we're talking about a huge different in "new-ness". There were grunge bands whose discographies spanned a greater amount of time than the difference between Ivermectin and mRNA lol.


If the difference between "way too new" and "tried & true" is only 8-9 years, then I would expect they'll all be totally cool with taking an mRNA vaccine in 2029, right??

 

[Aaron112]

When the clear proof that something spiritual, physical or mental
is harmful
is not permitted,
that which is harmful is continued ?

 

[Pommer]

When the clear proof that something spiritual, physical or mental
is harmful
is not permitted,
that which is harmful is continued ?

I’m having trouble parsing this.
Could you restate this?

 

[Aaron112]

As opposed to what?

Take your time over the next two years , if you want to know.

Since about 1960 , maybe earlier, the biggest cause of death in the usa , and the fastest growing cause of death in the usa, has been the medical protocols/ medicine/ legally done and prescribed by officially approved protocols.
No worries if you or anyone chooses to deny part of this - it is readily (or was before today) verifiable by searching with any search engine the internet statistics published of and by or sourced from the official FDA and AMA , and other government and other medical sites.
They do of course obfuscate all the statistics as much as possible to get some other desired outcome, to distract from what is really happening for the last century.
Naturally , as the biggest drain of money in the world , might be military spending, or is still medical spending ... and everything will be done to protect that no matter what.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Got the updated booster today. WiFi reception improved 45%.

My COVID card was already full front and back before today, so I think this is my 6th shot, and I've only died twice.

Sorry I missed a few days on the forums. I died a third time. But that's still 50/50, which is pretty good odds.