Another Climate Alarmist Admits Real Motive Behind Warming Scare

[Thursday]

“One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with the environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole,” said Edenhofer, who co-chaired the U.N.’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change working group on Mitigation of Climate Change from 2008 to 2015.

http://www.investors.com/politics/e...mist-admits-real-motive-behind-warming-scare/

 

[Armoured]

“One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with the environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole,” said Edenhofer, who co-chaired the U.N.’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change working group on Mitigation of Climate Change from 2008 to 2015.

http://www.investors.com/politics/e...mist-admits-real-motive-behind-warming-scare/

I can't help but notice there was no admission of what the alleged "real" motive is, there. I hope we're not playing silly quote mining games.

 

[Thursday]

I can't help but notice there was no admission of what the alleged "real" motive is, there. I hope we're not playing silly quote mining games.

The motivation is clearly stated. The goal is income redistribution, ie. leftist political power.

Read the entire article. It is revealing.

 

[Armoured]

The motivation is clearly stated. The goal is income redistribution, ie. leftist political power.

Read the entire article. It is revealing.

I didn't see that anywhere in the quote? I think you're projecting.

 

[Thursday]

I didn't see that anywhere in the quote? I think you're projecting.

The quote was just a teaser for the entire article, which includes:

“We redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy,” said Edenhofer.

For those who want to believe that maybe Edenhofer just misspoke and doesn’t really mean that, consider that a little more than five years ago he also said that “the next world climate summit in Cancun is actually an economy summit during which the distribution of the world’s resources will be negotiated.”

Last year, Christiana Figueres, executive secretary of U.N.’s Framework Convention on Climate Change, made a similar statement.

“This is the first time in the history of mankind that we are setting ourselves the task of intentionally, within a defined period of time, to change the economic development model that has been reigning for at least 150 years, since the Industrial Revolution,” she said in anticipation of last year’s Paris climate summit.

“This is probably the most difficult task we have ever given ourselves, which is to intentionally transform the economic development model for the first time in human history.”

 

[faroukfarouk]

“One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with the environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole,” said Edenhofer, who co-chaired the U.N.’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change working group on Mitigation of Climate Change from 2008 to 2015.

http://www.investors.com/politics/e...mist-admits-real-motive-behind-warming-scare/

It happened after the Berlin Wall came down and socialism became relatively discredited; another discourse was therefore necessary in order to try to justify high levels of taxation.

 

[Fantine]

The motivation is clearly stated. The goal is income redistribution, ie. leftist political power.

Read the entire article. It is revealing.

Interesting that Pope Francis notes in his encyclical that climate change hurts the poor more than anyone. If California has a drought no one starves. In Africa, millions may.
Pope Francis also notes that people in the west must make some lifestyle changes so that the earth's resources will be available to all for generations to come.

 

[Thursday]

Interesting that Pope Francis notes in his encyclical that climate change hurts the poor more than anyone. If California has a drought no one starves. In Africa, millions may.
Pope Francis also notes that people in the west must make some lifestyle changes so that the earth's resources will be available to all for generations to come.

Pope Francis is mistaken. The remedies against this bogus threat are what hurt the poor. Leftist policies are already hurting the poor around the world.

 

[Thunder Peel]

Global Cooling, I mean Global Warmer, err...Climate Change has always been a scam. Weather does unpredictable things every day and the earth constantly goes through states of varying climate. The idea that we can control it, much less tax and regulate it, is absurd.

 

[HannahT]

Global Cooling, I mean Global Warmer, err...Climate Change has always been a scam. Weather does unpredictable things every day and the earth constantly goes through states of varying climate. The idea that we can control it, much less tax and regulate it, is absurd.

I think the attempts to ram stuff down people's throat, and if they still don't agree claim they don't care about the air, water, etc. does the most damage. It's rather humorous to me that some will claim you must not 'shame' people, but of course that seems to be the marketing theme for this issue.

I have no problem with stretching things to be more environmentally clean. I think using the sun for example for energy is pretty cool idea, and I hope they expand that technology along with many others. We as a country - along with others as well - do pretty well taking care of our resources and inventing new ways of using energy. It's amazing to me to find documentaries in which they find decent ways to bring clean, healthy water to places that don't have the resources now to do that. How they can also use the sun so at night they don't have to rely on NO light, or light that damages their vision...and now their solar panels give them pretty decent light at night. People can say what they wish, but WOW we are pretty innovative with what we come up with...that area will expand with time as well. Kudos I say! It's truly exciting! We will help many countries and people as our technology, inventions, and innovations continue.

What I don't understand is how people seem to feel they can legislate innovations that don't exist yet, and want to kill off other industries that we don't have replacements for yet. That will harm everyone, but many pretend it won't. The itch is out there to be creative, and find new ways...and expand on what we know now. China - for example - claims they have some agreement of change in regards to their dirty air. If people want to truly see some place that puts money, etc above health? I would say that is a great place to look at. The people of that country can't be happy, because it is their health - and land - that is effected. Yet, government doesn't really work with them. The Climate Change people want to treat our country - and others too - as if we are in the same boat as that hugely polluting country. We are not even close. Yet, because we are NOT where they wish us to be? They see no difference, and the contempt tends to kill off the conversation completely. Talk about bullying...Yikes!

I have no problem with being responsible with our environment. We should be. The future in that arena is very exciting, and I know I'm going to be blown away in the future. I just feel we need to be responsible and realistic in our approach.

We have a number of countries that are off the charts as far as pollution, and pretending that a couple of postage stamp areas on this earth TRYING to do the best they can to do what is right is going to SAVE the whole planet? It's naive. Instead move the shame campaigns where they need to be. Otherwise, feeling it could be a political thing when they wag their fingers at the wrong parties? It's only natural for people to assume that. Normally, under those circumstances there is money and power to be had. It's human nature.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

“One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with the environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole,” said Edenhofer, who co-chaired the U.N.’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change working group on Mitigation of Climate Change from 2008 to 2015.

http://www.investors.com/politics/e...mist-admits-real-motive-behind-warming-scare/

The motives of the proponents don't matter. What matters is the evidence. Are we seeing increased levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere? Are we experiencing higher temperatures around the globe? Are low lying islands disappearing due to rising seas? Is this a trend that will continue unless we take measures to stop it?

Can you book a cruise ship to take a tour around the arctic ocean now?

 

[Fantine]

Can you book a cruise ship to take a tour around the arctic ocean now?

Cruises to Antarctica can be booked, sailing from Chile or New Zealand. My friend said tourists could only spend about an hour a day on land--to protect the Antarctic environment!

She went in February. I'm pretty sure they only go in the southern hemisphere's summer season, when there is 24 hours of daylight at the South Pole.

 

[Lance & Rite]

Pope Francis seemed to be saying that we should reject consumerism, which is not an unusual thing for someone like him to say. Unfortunately, climate policy has nothing to do with consumerism, it has to do with targeting oil industries that are generally associated with conservative-leaning regions. These primarily include the American south, Russia and the Muslim world.

Climate change jumped the shark for me after they predicted a decline in carbon eating plankton due to an increase in atmospheric carbon, after which they build the international plankton monitor, and when the results came back there was more of the carbon-eating plankton to match the increased carbon levels. Al Gore and other celebrity's coastal California houses didn't help keep me convinced either. Or the polar bear population rebound. You can only believe the world is imminently going to be destroyed for so long.

 

[Thursday]

The motives of the proponents don't matter. What matters is the evidence. Are we seeing increased levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere? Are we experiencing higher temperatures around the globe?

Carbon dioxide has increased dramatically.

Temperatures have not. In fact, the current warming trend started before the industrial age. The earth warms and cools in cycles. We have been warming since the 1700s after several centuries of cooling. The emissions of CO2 into the atmosphere have no significant impact on this process.

 

[Fantine]

It is certainly possible to find a miniscule percentage of climate scientists who disagree that climate change is man-made, or that it poses any danger. Often they are employed by oil companies.

You are certainly free to accept the findings of this small percentage of energy industry climate scientists.

Fortunately the preponderance of evidence is convincing most of the world's citizens that we need to address this problem.

 

[Thursday]

It is certainly possible to find a miniscule percentage of climate scientists who disagree that climate change is man-made, or that it poses any danger. Often they are employed by oil companies.

You are certainly free to accept the findings of this small percentage of energy industry climate scientists.

Fortunately the preponderance of evidence is convincing most of the world's citizens that we need to address this problem.

Climate change is part of life on earth. CO2 is plant food.


The attack on CO2 is an attack on capitalism. It has no significance for our climate.

 

[imind]

“One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with the environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole,” said Edenhofer, who co-chaired the U.N.’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change working group on Mitigation of Climate Change from 2008 to 2015.

http://www.investors.com/politics/e...mist-admits-real-motive-behind-warming-scare/

lol...when speaking of getting the world off fossil fuels, yes, you're going to have to speak of changing economies. the evidence for man-made global warming is indisputable.

 

[Biblewriter]

I have, saved right on the computer I am using, conclusive proof that the United States government is flat out lying to us about the "evidence" they are presenting to prove that global warming is taking place.

The form of this proof is two sets of data, published by the same NASA office, with the same title, at the same website except for the final dash number, in the years 2000 and 2013. Both these data sets are alleged historical temperature data for the contiguous 48 states, covering the same years. But the two data sets are radically different.

The original data, which I assume to be actual data as found in the historical records, showed a cooling trend from 1880, when the records began to be kept, to 1900, then a warming trend from 1900 to 1960, and then a cooling trend from 1960 to 1999, the final year for which data was available at that time.

The revised data showed temperatures essentially stable from 1880 to 1925, then increasing at a gradually accelerating rate from 1925 to 2012.

In the 2013 version, the alleged "historic" temperature data was increased for all but six years from 1880 to 1910, then reduced for every year from 1911 to 1964, and then increased for all but one year from 1965 to 1999.

This is blatant fraud.

 

[imind]

I have, saved right on the computer I am using, conclusive proof that the United States government is flat out lying to us about the "evidence" they are presenting to prove that global warming is taking place.

oh, i bet you do!

 

[classicalhero]

Interesting that Pope Francis notes in his encyclical that climate change hurts the poor more than anyone. If California has a drought no one starves. In Africa, millions may.
Pope Francis also notes that people in the west must make some lifestyle changes so that the earth's resources will be available to all for generations to come.

Because the richer nations have better infrastructure to cope with problem? That is why we should be pursuing policies that make other nations richer, and the best method is capitalism not this attempt at communism.