They aren't empty. They're chock full of ridiculousness.You are just making empty claims.
eudaimonia,
Mark
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They aren't empty. They're chock full of ridiculousness.You are just making empty claims.
eudaimonia,
Mark
I myself am agnostic, but do hope for the divinity of Jesus Christ to save my soul from Hell.
Here is the question, when looking at creation such as the Earth the Water and studying science, I really have to ask myself what kind of odds would have to play out for all of creation to come into existence by only natural processes? Really what kind of odds would have to play out for that to happen? Because over a fourteen billion year period for all the atoms to be created and put into just the right place, so that the one sperm of your Father or my Father would go to the one egg of your or my Mother, is totally astronomical.
Yes it is a circular argument to say a creator made it, but if it were only natural processes to make it then there is randomness involved. So, could existence be like looking at quadrillions and quadrillions of doors and opening the one door that leads to existence? Sure all the other doors you don't even know what they could lead to, and you only get to know about one door, one possibility. However our knowledge is incomplete, because there could be a creator, who is even omnipresent or not we just don't know. Still though, it seems to me like a good argument for there being a creator or higher power of some kind.
So what are your thoughts on this?
Sam
Was the text describing this written before or after the 2nd Temple was dismantled?... I look at the odds of each stone in the 2nd Temple in Jerusalem being dismantled within the lifetime of those who heard from Jesus that the 2nd Temple would be dismantled within their lifetime...
Was the text describing this written before or after the 2nd Temple was dismantled?
I myself am agnostic, but do hope for the divinity of Jesus Christ to save my soul from Hell.
Here is the question, when looking at creation such as the Earth the Water and studying science, I really have to ask myself what kind of odds would have to play out for all of creation to come into existence by only natural processes? Really what kind of odds would have to play out for that to happen? Because over a fourteen billion year period for all the atoms to be created and put into just the right place, so that the one sperm of your Father or my Father would go to the one egg of your or my Mother, is totally astronomical.
Yes it is a circular argument to say a creator made it, but if it were only natural processes to make it then there is randomness involved. So, could existence be like looking at quadrillions and quadrillions of doors and opening the one door that leads to existence? Sure all the other doors you don't even know what they could lead to, and you only get to know about one door, one possibility. However our knowledge is incomplete, because there could be a creator, who is even omnipresent or not we just don't know. Still though, it seems to me like a good argument for there being a creator or higher power of some kind.
So what are your thoughts on this?
Sam
Here is the question, when looking at creation such as the Earth the Water and studying science, I really have to ask myself what kind of odds would have to play out for all of creation to come into existence by only natural processes? Really what kind of odds would have to play out for that to happen? Because over a fourteen billion year period for all the atoms to be created and put into just the right place, so that the one sperm of your Father or my Father would go to the one egg of your or my Mother, is totally astronomical.
Yes it is a circular argument to say a creator made it, but if it were only natural processes to make it then there is randomness involved. So, could existence be like looking at quadrillions and quadrillions of doors and opening the one door that leads to existence? Sure all the other doors you don't even know what they could lead to, and you only get to know about one door, one possibility. However our knowledge is incomplete, because there could be a creator, who is even omnipresent or not we just don't know. Still though, it seems to me like a good argument for there being a creator or higher power of some kind.
I myself am agnostic, but do hope for the divinity of Jesus Christ to save my soul from Hell.
Here is the question, when looking at creation such as the Earth the Water and studying science, I really have to ask myself what kind of odds would have to play out for all of creation to come into existence by only natural processes? Really what kind of odds would have to play out for that to happen? Because over a fourteen billion year period for all the atoms to be created and put into just the right place, so that the one sperm of your Father or my Father would go to the one egg of your or my Mother, is totally astronomical.
Yes it is a circular argument to say a creator made it, but if it were only natural processes to make it then there is randomness involved. So, could existence be like looking at quadrillions and quadrillions of doors and opening the one door that leads to existence? Sure all the other doors you don't even know what they could lead to, and you only get to know about one door, one possibility. However our knowledge is incomplete, because there could be a creator, who is even omnipresent or not we just don't know. Still though, it seems to me like a good argument for there being a creator or higher power of some kind.
So what are your thoughts on this?
Sam
It doesn't matter what particular people were born. I was born by 'chance'. If I weren't born someone else would ask the same question.
Your body is. Your soul is not.
Your soul pre-exists your body.
Really? Evidence?
When was my soul made? And in what sense was my soul creation not chance? Why me and not someone else?
So what are your thoughts on this?
No evidence. But there are theological answers. Take them or not.
Your soul was made together with all other souls during the Week of Creation.
Each soul created has an unique identity, just like you, as a human, has one.
Soul exists forever. It was you, is you, and will be you.
Odds are impossible to calculate when you don't understand the mechanism of what you are calculating the odds on.
So you can't answer the questions:
What are the odds of a natural universe?
or
What are the odds of a created universe?
or
What are the odds of there being a being that could create something like the universe?
Since I don't understand how these systems work in a comprehensive manner, I can't calculate odds on how likely they are to work one way or another.
You have to know how these things work to calculate their odds of existing or to say one is more likely than the other. Your intuitions aren't good enough, if you don't have a good understanding of the system, you can't calculate it's odds.
So, some guy said so?
What did we do before birth? And why me?
You were doing something under God's permission. Everyone could be doing different things.
Why you? Because it was you, and you wanted to be you, as a human, on the earth.
These are logic consequences based on Christian doctrine. If you are patient, you can do the same logic reasoning.
I wasted a full six months struggling against it some ten years ago and am not about to go for a repeat. Gave the people involved the benefit of the doubt only to have them glibly admit at the end of that time period that they had been feigning incomprehension all along simply because they had a strong aversion to anything and everything religious. In short, they were on an atheistic jihad in which they felt fully justified in employing deceitfulness as a rhetorical weapon.You said it.
To me, creation is a mystery, we may have immortal souls and we can hope so, or we are just sophisticated animals, but you still can't rule out the existence of God. Yes, it can't be proven false and is not scientific, but I just do not feel billions of people who believe in a higher power are misguided that is just too many wrong people in this day and age.
Perhaps it is better to not feel so certain about such things and risk making a mistake like giving up on the possibility of Heaven and Hell, and just being wrong with no way to know for sure?
So what are your thoughts on this?
Yes it is a circular argument to say a creator made it, but if it were only natural processes to make it then there is randomness involved. So, could existence be like looking at quadrillions and quadrillions of doors and opening the one door that leads to existence?