10 Questions for Evolutionists

[Julie]

10 Questions for Evolutionists


When the "Big Bang" (big bunk!) supposedly began the universe - what banged? Where did that first piece of matter come from, if not God? Where did the energy come from that caused the bang? Where did the space come from that the bang expanded into?


How did legs evolve into wings without first being part leg and part wing, which would be inferior for locomotion to either fully implemented? Wouldn't this make extinction more likely as the creature would have a harder time getting food and evading predators? (The same question can be asked of scales and feathers, or gills and lungs, and other organs).


Which evolved first, plants, or the insects that pollinate them?


Which came first, the DNA message, the RNA carrier, or the protein, when producing each of them requires the others to already be there?


Why would the amoeba even bother to evolve into "advanced" creatures like the dodo and dinosaurs that went extinct, when the amoeba is still around?


How did life learn to reproduce itself, or even know there was a need to?


With whom did the first cell capable of reproduction mate?


Why would anything naturally reproduce when it would only create competition for food, environment, resources, and a need to provide and work for them?


Which came first, the digestive system, the food to be digested, the knowledge of the need for food, the ability to find food, to know what food is, what to consume and how to consume it, the digestive juices, or the body's ability to resist being destroyed by the same acids that digest food?


How did whales know to be purposely born breach (upside down) so as not to drown during birth? Mammals are born headfirst (except partial-birth abortions, where they are turned around on purpose so they can be killed by having their brains sucked out). Did all the baby whales drown until evolution figured out that they couldn't be born like other mammals? Remember, they had less than a generation to make the evolutionary correction, one generation of drowning whales would've caused extinction.


*** These ought to be a challenge for most evolutionists who can't usually explain "which came first, the chicken or the egg?"


Author: Teno Groppi

 

[chickenman]

well I'll answer the third one, the rest of you can destroy the remainders


Q: Which evolved first, plants, or the insects that pollinate them?

A: Well, I don't know where you got the idea that insects were required for plant pollination - in fact most plants don't need insects at all to reproduce. The plants that are pollinated by insects evolved concomitantly with the insects that do the pollinating.

 

[seebs]

Originally posted by Julie
10 Questions for Evolutionists

And 10 answers from an evolutionist.

When the "Big Bang" (big bunk!) supposedly began the universe - what banged? Where did that first piece of matter come from, if not God? Where did the energy come from that caused the bang? Where did the space come from that the bang expanded into?

The "space" doesn't have to come from anywhere... as to the rest of it, I always assumed God made it. The big bang has nothing to do with the theory of evolution as it applies to life.

How did legs evolve into wings without first being part leg and part wing, which would be inferior for locomotion to either fully implemented? Wouldn't this make extinction more likely as the creature would have a harder time getting food and evading predators? (The same question can be asked of scales and feathers, or gills and lungs, and other organs).

Yes. And you can get a good answer by watching a penguin swim. To summarize, not all intermediate forms are useless for everything.

As to scales and feathers, there's some reasonable suggestions as to how that works. Lungs? Go look at a lungfish, and ask it what it thinks it's doing.

Which evolved first, plants, or the insects that pollinate them?

Plants, because pollination can happen by wind.

Which came first, the DNA message, the RNA carrier, or the protein, when producing each of them requires the others to already be there?

This question presupposes a lot about how DNA and RNA evolved. To make a long story short, probably RNA.

Why would the amoeba even bother to evolve into "advanced" creatures like the dodo and dinosaurs that went extinct, when the amoeba is still around?

Because multicellular life forms sometimes succeed in a niche where single-celled ones don't. And, after all, many many billions of copies of that DNA were made, even if the line ended.

You're also making the mistake of treating this as a *goal*. That's like asking why stalagmites even bother to form in a cave that's going to collapse. Because physics makes them.

How did life learn to reproduce itself, or even know there was a need to?

It didn't. Rather, molecules reacted, as they are wont to do, and certain patterns of molecules tend to be reformed.

With whom did the first cell capable of reproduction mate?

I try to avoid being rude, but this question, in particular, is actually *stupid*, not merely easy to answer: Most single-celled life is asexual, and reproduces by budding or splitting.

Why would anything naturally reproduce when it would only create competition for food, environment, resources, and a need to provide and work for them?

Because otherwise, if one dies, they're all gone. Reproducing increases the chances that at least *one* copy makes it.

Which came first, the digestive system, the food to be digested, the knowledge of the need for food, the ability to find food, to know what food is, what to consume and how to consume it, the digestive juices, or the body's ability to resist being destroyed by the same acids that digest food?

None. The process appears to be fairly gradual. In general, digestion of some sort happens "first"; food exists simply by virtue of the existance of carbon compounds. "knowledge" isn't involved in the smaller animals, and indeed, some worms just eat everything and do their best. Digestive juices don't show up before you've got fairly complicated life forms, and are part of a gradual process.

How did whales know to be purposely born breach (upside down) so as not to drown during birth? Mammals are born headfirst (except partial-birth abortions, where they are turned around on purpose so they can be killed by having their brains sucked out). Did all the baby whales drown until evolution figured out that they couldn't be born like other mammals? Remember, they had less than a generation to make the evolutionary correction, one generation of drowning whales would've caused extinction.

This, too, is simply spectacularly dumb. Obviously, the current arrangement evolved over a period of time. We didn't suddenly have whales; we had a gradual succession of mammals that were more and more like today's whales, and which adapted gradually to a changing set of native environments.

*** These ought to be a challenge for most evolutionists who can't usually explain "which came first, the chicken or the egg?"


Author: Teno Groppi

No, they shouldn't. And the egg, *DUH*, because the egg was the offspring of something which was almost, but not quite, a chicken.

 

[mac_philo]

I take it Teno Groppi
A)Has no idea what evolution is
B)Lives in a cave, since he/she thinks 'evolutionist'=atheist. I think the pope would take issue with that.
C)Sells VHS tapes and/or gets paid to lead creatinist revivals.

 

[chickenman]

sorry, I just saw question 7 and I couldn't resist:

Q: With whom did the first cell capable of reproduction mate?

A: Have you heard of asexual reproduction? The first protocell would have replicated asexually, like bacteria. It is obvious from this question that your understanding of basic biology is fairly limited. All life is capable of cell replication without a "mate"

 

[AtheistArchon]

- Nicely done, seebs. Rarely do I see the believer answering these questions... perhaps I'm getting cynical?

- My one question for Julie: You seem very skeptical. An admirable quality. I also assume, however, that you believe in creationism. You ask some in-depth questions about evolution. Do you ask any about creationism? Like, for example, is there any evidence for it?

 

[seebs]

Originally posted by AtheistArchon
- Nicely done, seebs. Rarely do I see the believer answering these questions... perhaps I'm getting cynical?

Well, it gets tiring. Especially when the answers are so *PAINFULLY* obvious.

And yes, you're getting cynical. This is one of the first signs that you've turned away from God! Repent now, or become mildly sarcastic! As long as you're not making puns, there's still hope.

 

[TheBear]

To Julie and all: Opening a thread with several different points, is not a discussion, it is speach making, and lends itself to confusion. This issue has been addressed by myself and by other staff members. If you want to discuss any or all of the points mentioned in the opening post of this thread, first check to see if the point(s) are already being discussed in other threads. If any of the points are not currently being discussed in other threads, feel free to start a new thread for any single point of discussion.

This thread is closed.


John