The modern blind church and Job.

HopeSings · May 14, 2024

This was a post I made. I would like to ask everyone this question and get their opinion of my understanding.

Do we ever talk about Jobs family and friend's? Why do we always talk about Job instead? Why do we crush him into dust with our judgment? If your best friend gets sick and his family dies will you say it's because your friend sinned?

The church is blind because of its sin of division and worldly politics. They sleep and are sick as scripture says. God blinded the church like Israel because they followd the same path of folly that Israel did. They boasted against the branches but they didn't learn from Israel's example as Paul teaches us.

Aaron112 · May 14, 2024

In the honest assembly, we do not crush him into dust with our judgment , YHVH Willing.
Rather, as YHVH Reveals , we read and receive and discuss - talk about , always with our single purpose being Jesus.

HopeSings · May 14, 2024

Aaron112 said:
In the honest assembly, we do not crush him into dust with our judgment , YHVH Willing.
Rather, as YHVH Reveals , we read and receive and discuss - talk about , always with our single purpose being Jesus.

Yes and note that they didn't try to heal Job or cast out his sickness. God had to heal Job himself

eleos1954 · May 14, 2024

HopeSings said:
This was a post I made. I would like to ask everyone this question and get their opinion of my understanding.

Do we ever talk about Jobs family and friend's? Why do we always talk about Job instead? Why do we crush him into dust with our judgment? If your best friend gets sick and his family dies will you say it's because your friend sinned?

The church is blind because of its sin of division and worldly politics. They sleep and are sick as scripture says. God blinded the church like Israel because they followd the same path of folly that Israel did. They boasted against the branches but they didn't learn from Israel's example as Paul teaches us.

All the churches are in an apostate condition one way or another.

HopeSings · May 14, 2024

eleos1954 said:
All the churches are in an apostate condition one way or another.

It seems so. The church isn't denominations but it's in the heart and mind. We must be of one heart, mind, voice, and judgment. The mind of Christ.

eleos1954 · May 14, 2024

HopeSings said:
It seems so. The church isn't denominations but it's in the heart and mind. We must be of one heart, mind, voice, and judgment. The mind of Christ.

True. The wheat and tares grow together. It is indeed about the heart and mind of each individual whether a church goer or not.

RandyPNW · May 14, 2024

HopeSings said:
This was a post I made. I would like to ask everyone this question and get their opinion of my understanding.

Do we ever talk about Jobs family and friend's? Why do we always talk about Job instead? Why do we crush him into dust with our judgment? If your best friend gets sick and his family dies will you say it's because your friend sinned?

The church is blind because of its sin of division and worldly politics. They sleep and are sick as scripture says. God blinded the church like Israel because they followd the same path of folly that Israel did. They boasted against the branches but they didn't learn from Israel's example as Paul teaches us.

Many years ago a female friend of mine, who was a Christian, took off with some guy to Alaska to get married. On the way she had a terrible traffic accident--I think she broke her back in several places.

Later, she told me, "Randy, Christian people from my former church wrote me, and instead of wishing me a speedy recovery they claimed I had been running from God!

I have no idea whether she was "running from God." But is this the way Christians deal, compassionately, with those who suffer?

The only ones who suffer with a minimum of my compassion are the wicked. And Christians who make mistakes are not wicked. Why would we be so cold as Christians and fail to represent the love and compassion of God?

HopeSings · May 14, 2024

RandyPNW said:
Many years ago a female friend of mine, who was a Christian, took off with some guy to Alaska to get married. On the way she had a terrible traffic accident--I think she broke her back in several places.

Later, she told me, "Randy, Christian people from my former church wrote me, and instead of wishing me a speedy recovery they claimed I had been running from God!

I have no idea whether she was "running from God." But is this the way Christians deal, compassionately, with those who suffer?

The only ones who suffer with a minimum of my compassion are the wicked. And Christians who make mistakes are not wicked. Why would we be so cold as Christians and fail to represent the love and compassion of God?

Yes. Religion is often blind in the wrong ways.

hislegacy · May 14, 2024

HopeSings said:
Yes and note that they didn't try to heal Job or cast out his sickness. God had to heal Job himself

Yes, God healed Job as soon as he repented.

Job 42:1

“I know that You can do everything,
And that no purpose of Yours can be withheld from You.
3 You asked, ‘Who is this who hides counsel without knowledge?’
Therefore I have uttered what I did not understand,
Things too wonderful for me, which I did not know.
4 Listen, please, and let me speak;
You said, ‘I will question you, and you shall answer Me.’

5 “I have heard of You by the hearing of the ear,
But now my eye sees You.
6 Therefore I abhor myself,
And repent in dust and ashes.”

After repentance came restoration:

Job 42:10

10 And the Lord restored Job’s losses when he prayed for his friends. Indeed the Lord gave Job twice as much as he had before. 11 Then all his brothers, all his sisters, and all those who had been his acquaintances before, came to him and ate food with him in his house; and they consoled him and comforted him for all the adversity that the Lord had brought upon him. Each one gave him a piece of silver and each a ring of gold.

And then the Lord made him very wealthy

12 Now the Lord blessed the latter days of Job more than his beginning; for he had fourteen thousand sheep, six thousand camels, one thousand yoke of oxen, and one thousand female donkeys. 13 He also had seven sons and three daughters.

HopeSings · May 14, 2024

hislegacy said:
Yes, God healed Job as soon as he repented.

Job 42:1
“I know that You can do everything,
And that no purpose of Yours can be withheld from You.
3 You asked, ‘Who is this who hides counsel without knowledge?’
Therefore I have uttered what I did not understand,
Things too wonderful for me, which I did not know.
4 Listen, please, and let me speak;
You said, ‘I will question you, and you shall answer Me.’
5 “I have heard of You by the hearing of the ear,
But now my eye sees You.
6 Therefore I abhor myself,
And repent in dust and ashes.”

After repentance came restoration:

Job 42:10
10 And the Lord restored Job’s losses when he prayed for his friends. Indeed the Lord gave Job twice as much as he had before. 11 Then all his brothers, all his sisters, and all those who had been his acquaintances before, came to him and ate food with him in his house; and they consoled him and comforted him for all the adversity that the Lord had brought upon him. Each one gave him a piece of silver and each a ring of gold.

And then the Lord made him very wealthy

12 Now the Lord blessed the latter days of Job more than his beginning; for he had fourteen thousand sheep, six thousand camels, one thousand yoke of oxen, and one thousand female donkeys. 13 He also had seven sons and three daughters.

Jobs friends were fat and merciless.

Aaron112 · May 14, 2024

HopeSings said:
Yes and note that they didn't try to heal Job or cast out his sickness. God had to heal Job himself

God did not have to heal anyone.

Aaron112 · May 14, 2024

eleos1954 said:
All the churches are in an apostate condition one way or another.

No. Not all ekklesia ... not nearly all.

hislegacy · May 14, 2024

HopeSings said:
Jobs friends were fat and merciless.

And God healed Job as soon as he repented - then healed his friends because of Job's prayers - restore all Job had lost and then made him incredibly wealthy.

HopeSings · May 14, 2024

Aaron112 said:
God did not have to heal anyone.

Wasn't Job afflicted with sickness?

HopeSings · May 14, 2024

hislegacy said:
And God healed Job as soon as he repented - then healed his friends because of Job's prayers - restore all Job had lost and then made him incredibly wealthy.

Job's friends were not sick but just ignorant. In my understanding anyway.

HopeSings · May 14, 2024

Aaron112 said:
No. Not all ekklesia ... not nearly all.

I'm not so sure.

Aaron112 · May 14, 2024

HopeSings said:
Wasn't Job afflicted with sickness?

yes

Aaron112 · May 14, 2024

HopeSings said:
I'm not so sure.

No worry.

HopeSings · May 14, 2024

Aaron112 said:
No worry.

I'm not worried.

eleos1954 · May 15, 2024

Aaron112 said:
No. Not all ekklesia ... not nearly all.

All organized earthly church systems are in an apostate condition of some kind.

The ekklesia is on a individual basis .... all those in Christ ... and are scattered throughout the entire world ... this is His true church.

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