Blind Election unto 2 Groups refuted in 2 verses (God requires Autonomous Will for Repentance)

Let's keep this super duper simple....

Ezekiel 33:11 Say to them, As I live, declares the Lord God, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live; turn back, turn back from your evil ways, for why will you die, O house of Israel?

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord does not delay His promise, as some understand delay, but is patient with you, not wanting any to perish but all to come to repentance.

Peter got it right after all! All is now specified to the Wicked as it is obvious that Peter was "Drawing" from Ezekiel 33:11

Ezekiel has God swearing by His Name by saying "As I Live", then echoing 2 Peter 3:9 to the Wicked... and imploring them to Use God Blessed Self Sovereign Autonomy to turn back to Him.

Just incase there is disagreement, please refer to post 2 for ironclad cross reference.

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Ezekiel 33:11​

Say to them, As I live, declares the Lord God, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live; turn back, turn back from your evil ways, for why will you die, O house of Israel?

1 Timothy 2:4Helpful? Yes No​

who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Ezekiel 18:23Helpful? Yes No​

Have I any pleasure in the death of the wicked, declares the Lord God, and not rather that he should turn from his way and live?

2 Peter 3:9Helpful? Yes No​

The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.

Isaiah 55:6-7Helpful? Yes No​

“Seek the Lord while he may be found; call upon him while he is near; let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts; let him return to the Lord, that he may have compassion on him, and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.

Acts 3:19Helpful? Yes No​

Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out,

Proverbs 8:36Helpful? Yes No​

but he who fails to find me injures himself; all who hate me love death.”

Ezekiel 18:30-32Helpful? Yes No​

“Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, declares the Lord God. Repent and turn from all your transgressions, lest iniquity be your ruin. Cast away from you all the transgressions that you have committed, and make yourselves a new heart and a new spirit! Why will you die, O house of Israel? For I have no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Lord God; so turn, and live.”

Luke 15:20-32Helpful? Yes No​

And he arose and came to his father. But while he was still a long way off, his father saw him and felt compassion, and ran and embraced him and kissed him. And the son said to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and before you. I am no longer worthy to be called your son.’ But the father said to his servants, ‘Bring quickly the best robe, and put it on him, and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet. And bring the fattened calf and kill it, and let us eat and celebrate. For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found.’ And they began to celebrate.

Hosea 14:1Helpful? Yes No​

Return, O Israel, to the Lord your God, for you have stumbled because of your iniquity.

Proverbs 1:23Helpful? Yes No​

If you turn at my reproof, behold, I will pour out my spirit to you; I will make my words known to you.

Jeremiah 3:22Helpful? Yes No​

“Return, O faithless sons; I will heal your faithlessness.” “Behold, we come to you, for you are the Lord our God.

Hosea 11:8Helpful? Yes No​

How can I give you up, O Ephraim? How can I hand you over, O Israel? How can I make you like Admah? How can I treat you like Zeboiim? My heart recoils within me; my compassion grows warm and tender.

Ezekiel 14:6Helpful? Yes No​

“Therefore say to the house of Israel, Thus says the Lord God: Repent and turn away from your idols, and turn away your faces from all your abominations.

Lamentations 3:33Helpful? Yes No​

for he does not afflict from his heart or grieve the children of men.

2 Samuel 14:14Helpful? Yes No​

We must all die; we are like water spilled on the ground, which cannot be gathered up again. But God will not take away life, and he devises means so that the banished one will not remain an outcast.

Daniel 9:13Helpful? Yes No​

As it is written in the Law of Moses, all this calamity has come upon us; yet we have not entreated the favor of the Lord our God, turning from our iniquities and gaining insight by your truth.

Ezekiel 5:11Helpful? Yes No​

Therefore, as I live, declares the Lord God, surely, because you have defiled my sanctuary with all your detestable things and with all your abominations, therefore I will withdraw. My eye will not spare, and I will have no pity.

Acts 26:20Helpful? Yes No​

but declared first to those in Damascus, then in Jerusalem and throughout all the region of Judea, and also to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, performing deeds in keeping with their repentance.

Jeremiah 31:18-20Helpful? Yes No​

I have heard Ephraim grieving, ‘You have disciplined me, and I was disciplined, like an untrained calf; bring me back that I may be restored, for you are the Lord my God. For after I had turned away, I relented, and after I was instructed, I struck my thigh; I was ashamed, and I was confounded, because I bore the disgrace of my youth.’ Is Ephraim my dear son? Is he my darling child? For as often as I speak against him, I do remember him still. Therefore my heart yearns for him; I will surely have mercy on him, declares the Lord.

Numbers 14:21Helpful? Yes No​

But truly, as I live, and as all the earth shall be filled with the glory of the Lord,

Isaiah 49:18Helpful? Yes No​

Lift up your eyes around and see; they all gather, they come to you. As I live, declares the Lord, you shall put them all on as an ornament; you shall bind them on as a bride does.

Jeremiah 46:18Helpful? Yes No​

“As I live, declares the King, whose name is the Lord of hosts, like Tabor among the mountains and like Carmel by the sea, shall one come.

Jeremiah 22:24Helpful? Yes No​

“As I live, declares the Lord, though Coniah the son of Jehoiakim, king of Judah, were the signet ring on my right hand, yet I would tear you off

Numbers 14:28Helpful? Yes No​

Say to them, ‘As I live, declares the Lord, what you have said in my hearing I will do to you:

Zephaniah 2:9Helpful? Yes No​

Therefore, as I live,” declares the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel, “Moab shall become like Sodom, and the Ammonites like Gomorrah, a land possessed by nettles and salt pits, and a waste forever. The remnant of my people shall plunder them, and the survivors of my nation shall possess them.”

Ezekiel 14:16-18Helpful? Yes No​

even if these three men were in it, as I live, declares the Lord God, they would deliver neither sons nor daughters. They alone would be delivered, but the land would be desolate. “Or if I bring a sword upon that land and say, Let a sword pass through the land, and I cut off from it man and beast, though these three men were in it, as I live, declares the Lord God, they would deliver neither sons nor daughters, but they alone would be delivered.

Romans 14:11Helpful? Yes No​

for it is written, “As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.”

Ezekiel 16:48Helpful? Yes No​

As I live, declares the Lord God, your sister Sodom and her daughters have not done as you and your daughters have done.

Mark Quayle said:

You seem to be equating choice with Self Sovereign Autonomy. God indeed does require us to choose. He does not claim we have "Self Sovereign Autonomy". Logically, such autonomy would require that we are not created beings.

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Genesis 1:28, good sir… Dominion… Domination… Raja verb… implied active Noun Sultan…. Sovereignty and subdue the earth.

It’s just a matter of believing the Hebrew or not.

God is Sultan of sultans. But He indeed gave full authority.


This is how this looks in the verses and in the Hebrew.

In Daniel the word for Dominion is the NOUN Sholtan (A Sultan), while in Genesis the word for Dominion is the Active VERB Radah (A Raja) to give Sultan (The Noun) ), BUT, Raja is a Verb, in this case which would indicate that (Sultan), was given, via the active Hebrew Verb (Raja.)

To respect ALL scripture... The passage indicates that Y-WH Barak (Blessed) them actively "Raja verb" which would then imply the Masculine Noun Sultin has been given as a gift to Adam and Eve. This matches the Biblical account that the First Adam was incapable of restoring Dominion. This then goes forward to show that Christ (The Second Adam) Could and Did Restore Sultan to God.
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Daniel 7:14 (This Hebrew word is Sholtan) Noun

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Daniel 7:14 He was given authority, glory and sovereign (Dominion is the render of Sovereign in the Hebrew interlinear, because it is again Sultan) power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion (Sultan) is an everlasting.

Genesis 1:28 (This Hebrew word is Radah) Verb

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Genesis 1:28 says They were given Dominion over EVERY LIVING THING ON EARTH.


Now, that we understand this reference... the defensive response could insinuate that Adam and Eve weren't given full Rule, Dominion, Domination, Sultan of themselves and the earth.... However, this would immediately defame the Supremacy of Christ, as the very rhetoric God used towards Adam and Eve in Genesis 1, in reference to Adam and Eve's Rule over the earth is identically echoed towards Jesus Christ, though towards Heaven and Earth as Creator is added in Reference to God the Son.

Mark Quayle said:

Perhaps you would explain to me your several-times referred to Colossians text, because to me, so far, your texts describe human dominion only over the earth and its creatures, and nothing else; Colossians only seems to me to support what I believe, and not libertarian free will. No dominion of the human over the pervasiveness of cause-and-effect, for example. Thus, man's choices still remain an effect, however distant or near, of God's creating man according to God's purposes, and not according to man's purposes that God foresaw. The universe does not "happen to" God. He drives it! It follows his command. He is subject only to himself, and to nothing else.

Again, brother, I do not disagree that we do choose, and that, with real choice, with real, even eternal, consequences. But to call it independent of God's causation is not only illogical, but (bluntly), unbiblical. Not only are we a result of God's causation, by Adam's lineage, but we are an effect of God's causation, of long chains of cause-and-effect, all of which begin, one way or another, with God, who is not ignorant of every resulting detail of his speaking fact into existence. The universe, and all that is in it, to include very reality and fact itself, is by God's doing, and not ours. That we have a part to play I do not dispute; that we cause effects, I do agree; but that we do so with autonomy, apart from God's causation, is at best a bogus notion.

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Do you move on the earth? Or to be more specific… are you a living thing that moves on the earth?