Can anyone explain how the moth got it's owl eyes?

AV1611VET said:

Which came first?

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Not getting draw into this, AV.

Make another 'challenge' if it'll make you happy.

Warden_of_the_Storm said:

You're so fixated on that, it's kind of sad.

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Should I look the other way and pretend it doesn't happen?

Thurston-howell-III said:

For a typical protein length of about 300 amino acids, more than 10^390 different polypeptide chains could theoretically be made. This is such an enormous number that to produce just one molecule of each kind would require many more atoms than exist in the universe.

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Thurston-howell-III said:

"For a typical protein length of about 300 amino acids, more than 10^390 different polypeptide chains could theoretically be made. This is such an enormous number that to produce just one molecule of each kind would require many more atoms than exist in the universe."

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Well, the Rugged landscape experiment, described in post n° 617 shows this statement wrong. A gene can emerge from scratch in 20 generations.
When hard empirical evidence contradicts a theory, it's the theory that is wrong.

AV1611VET said:

Should I look the other way and pretend it doesn't happen?

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Again: sad.

Warden_of_the_Storm said:

Again: sad.

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You would think evolutionists would use Mother Nature's history of animals killing each other -- (some for recreational purposes) -- as the be-all explanation as to why her crowning creation continues that legacy.



But evolutionists don't like to talk about the dark side of their doctrine.

And frankly, I'm glad.

Because it's all bologna in the first place.

AV1611VET said:

You would think evolutionists would use Mother Nature's history of animals killing each other -- (some for recreational purposes) -- as the be-all explanation as to why her crowning creation continues that legacy.

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But evolutionists don't like to talk about the dark side of their doctrine.

And frankly, I'm glad.

Because it's all bologna in the first place.

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And we come to the vulture mentality of yours.

Class act. Really.

Warden_of_the_Storm said:

And we come to the vulture mentality of yours.

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Really?

Is that what you call it when other animals do the same thing?

Or do/did you call it: fight or flight / survival of the fittest?

AV1611VET said:

Really?

Is that what you call it when other animals do the same thing?

Or do/did you call it: fight or flight / survival of the fittest?

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Nope, I call your desire to trot out any and all horrible events and lay them at the feet of evolution or academia or scientists as a vulture mentality. Because that's what it is.

Warden_of_the_Storm said:

Nope, I call your desire to trot out any and all horrible events and lay them at the feet of evolution or academia or scientists as a vulture mentality.

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Do you know what the #1 killer on Earth is by a wide margin?

The domestic cat.

But that aside, it's ... ironic ... that you call my examples "horrible events," while that mold over there in the corner is excreting mycotoxins to defend itself against its own invading kind.

Warden_of_the_Storm said:

Because that's what it is.

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Uh huh.

Science is hypocritical, isn't it?

AV1611VET said:

Do you know what the #1 killer on Earth is by a wide margin?

The domestic cat.

But that aside, it's ... ironic ... that you call my examples "horrible events," while that mold over there in the corner is excreting mycotoxins to defend itself against its own invading kind.

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Cats hunting to survive, and people giving into psychosis and going on a killing, are not the same thing at all. They really are not.

AV1611VET said:

Uh huh.

Science is hypocritical, isn't it?

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Not at all. You're just a person who likes to use death to try and pretend that you have any moral high ground.

Warden_of_the_Storm said:

Cats hunting to survive, and people giving into psychosis and going on a killing, are not the same thing at all. They really are not.

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That's right.

As long as you say, "Cats hunting to survive."

Some time ago the Animal Planet Network gave the top ten killers on Earth.

They said the number one killer ... by a wide margin ... was the domestic cat.

This due to the fact that the domestic cat will kill anything it can subdue, mainly just for the sport of killing.

Warden_of_the_Storm said:

Not at all. You're just a person who likes to use death to try and pretend that you have any moral high ground.

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I'm glad you're bringing morals into the argument.

Morals are few and far between in the animal world, aren't they?

Eating their own children offspring, swapping wives, shacking up, killing for fun, just to name a few.

Tell me, Warden, which picture galls you more?

This?



Or this?



I suspect the first one does.

And if so, for what reason?

@AV1611VET , I don't care about this enough to warrant actually responding to either comment.

Just drop it, or make a 'challenge' thread on it. Because all I'm seeing from you right now is you being a troll.

Warden_of_the_Storm said:

@AV1611VET , I don't care about this enough to warrant actually responding to either comment.

Just drop it, or make a 'challenge' thread on it. Because all I'm seeing from you right now is you being a troll.

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Fair enough.

And if it helps your side any, I just checked Snopes, and they said lemmings DO NOT commit mass suicide.

That was a rumor started by Disney.

AV1611VET said:

Fair enough.

And if it helps your side any, I just checked Snopes, and they said lemmings DO NOT commit mass suicide.

That was a rumor started by Disney.

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I was surprised when I found that out as well.

Warden_of_the_Storm said:

I was surprised when I found that out as well.

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Until we talk again ...

Ophiolite said:

You have been told multiple times, but you have chosen not to listen. The problem is at your end, not this end.

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Speaking of end...

Thurston-howell-III said:

The sequence is VERY SPECIFIC, it is a code that gets translated. Tell us how the sequence became arranged.

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Random variations over large populations with selection only maintaining the functional versions.

Thurston-howell-III said:

Describe it as you like, but the sequences DO get translated into proteins. And proteins do not grow on trees. all purposes not possible to be created by chance.
"For a typical protein length of about 300 amino acids, more than 10^390 different polypeptide chains could theoretically be made. This is such an enormous number that to produce just one molecule of each kind would require many more atoms than exist in the universe."

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Each change from the simpler not reproducing monomer chemicals doesn't need to occur in a particular chain of events for a single chain. It's important to remember that each successful variation will multiply to fill the environment massively increasing the sample space for a successful variant.

A particular genetic make up is vanishingly unlikely, but the task of survival doesn't require a particular technique.

It's like the old playing cards analogy... the chance of a single specific hand is very, very low, but the chance of a winning hand is significantly higher.

AV1611VET said:

Because it's all bologna in the first place.

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The world loves bologna !

AV1611VET said:

Do you know what the #1 killer on Earth is by a wide margin?
The domestic cat.
But that aside, it's ... ironic ... that you call my examples "horrible events," while that mold over there in the corner is excreting mycotoxins to defend itself against its own invading kind.
Science is hypocritical, isn't it?

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I guess the previous pages of posts/ context/ might validate saying "cats", or might not,

but men are by far much more savage killing many many more men, women, and babies every day.