Can anyone explain how the moth got it's owl eyes?

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FROM NATIONAL HUMAN GENOME RESEARCH INSTITUTE:
Translation, as related to genomics, is the process through which information encoded in messenger RNA (mRNA) directs the addition of amino acids during protein synthesis. Translation takes place on ribosomes in the cell cytoplasm, where mRNA is read and translated into the string of amino acid chains that make up the synthesized protein.
SO at what point did the ability to decode come into being?
As I said, it's a description of a chemical process.

Polymerisation occurs without intervention or intent all the time... it's just a consequence of the structure of carbon atoms to form chains and of other elements to connect to the carbon.

DNA has significant consequences because it's the chemical that triggers the formation of proteins used by most living and near-living things on Earth.
 
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No. DNA is made of nucleotides.
1) these are chemicals, not letters.
2) it doesn't contain - it is made of.
Te letter sequence is a useful representation of the sequence of nucleotides. The letters aren't the DNA.
Even some people immersed in the sciences seem to confuse classification systems with the things they are classifying. Classification systems are a generalisation and simplification desgined to aid human understanding of and discussion about the actual things. There is no such thing as a species, or a dwarf planet, or an argillaceous sandstone, or a third world country.

"The map is not the territory."
Alfred Korzybski
 
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As I said, it's a description of a chemical process.

Polymerisation occurs without intervention or intent all the time... it's just a consequence of the structure of carbon atoms to form chains and of other elements to connect to the carbon.

DNA has significant consequences because it's the chemical that triggers the formation of proteins used by most living and near-living things on Earth.
The sequence is VERY SPECIFIC, it is a code that gets translated. Tell us how the sequence became arranged.
 
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Based on the research, it seems that blood was already present inside organisms before there were mechanisms to pump it around said organisms.

The evolution of blood seems to be a difficult question to fully answer, due to the scarcity of hard evidence.

This study (Tracing the evolutionary history of blood cells to the unicellular ancestor of animals) gives evidence to support a hypothesis that the evolution of blood occurred in a number of stages as unicellular life developed into more complex multi-cellular life which then developed into chordates and then vertebrates. The process likely started at least 1 billion years ago and took multiple hundreds of millions of years until it was completed.

Much is still speculation though:

"Blood cells are thought to have emerged as phagocytes in the common ancestor of animals followed by the appearance of novel blood cell lineages such as thrombocytes, erythrocytes, and lymphocytes, during evolution. However, this speculation is not based on genetic evidence and it is still possible to argue that phagocytes in different species have different origins.
It also remains to be clarified how the initial blood cells evolved; whether ancient animals have solely developed de novo programs for phagocytes or they have inherited a key program from ancestral unicellular organisms.​
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Overall, this study has provided insight into the origin of blood cells in the animal kingdom, where the primary phagocytes in the ancestor of animals arose by activating the CEBPα-driven phagocytic program inherited from a unicellular organism, and has clarified the molecular mechanism by which the phagocytic program is suppressed to maintain nonphagocytic lineage cells in vertebrate hematopoiesis, that is, polycomb-mediated epigenetic suppression of CEBPα."​


Evolution of hearts is much better understood, as there is supporting and direct fossil evidence.


Cliff notes:

The heart has changed and adapted from a single-layered tube with its own contractility supporting an open circulatory system, to a powerful four-chambered muscular pump devoted to loading and unloading a large amount of blood around a closed, valved circuit circulatory system

The primitive blueprint for the circulatory system emerged around 700–600 million years ago. Specific genes have been isolated in certain jellyfish species which have been shown to play a role in myogenesis, leading to the conclusion that these different genes may be the primordial beginnings of the heart and circulatory system that we see in later bilaterian species.

The primitive blueprint for the heart and circulatory system emerged with the arrival of the third mesodermal germ layer in bilaterians. The first heart-like organ appeared over 500 million years ago, most likely in an ancestral bilaterian. This system most likely resembled that of the most primitive urchordates or cephalochordate. The circulatory system of these species did not have a definitive heart, but included a single-layered tube with pulsatile contractility, in support of an open circulatory system.

"It seems" I like your wording since you can't admit that heart and blood are integrated and rely on ea other. No use of a heart w out blood.
But you'll concoct a way.
 
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The sequence is VERY SPECIFIC, it is a code that gets translated. Tell us how the sequence became arranged.
You have been told multiple times, but you have chosen not to listen. The problem is at your end, not this end.
 
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The decoding as you call it is inherit to the chemical structure of the molecule. It's a physical process not a mental abstract.

The letters of DNA is something we apply to DNA not truly a part of it.
Describe it as you like, but the sequences DO get translated into proteins. And proteins do not grow on trees. all purposes not possible to be created by chance.
"For a typical protein length of about 300 amino acids, more than 10^390 different polypeptide chains could theoretically be made. This is such an enormous number that to produce just one molecule of each kind would require many more atoms than exist in the universe."
 
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By nature.

Now, since you're arguing that DNA was created by an intelligence, then you need to actually show evidence of that fact with DNA. No other code that is actually artificial and created, but with DNA itself.
For a typical protein length of about 300 amino acids, more than 10^390 different polypeptide chains could theoretically be made. This is such an enormous number that to produce just one molecule of each kind would require many more atoms than exist in the universe.
 
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For a typical protein length of about 300 amino acids, more than 10^390 different polypeptide chains could theoretically be made. This is such an enormous number that to produce just one molecule of each kind would require many more atoms than exist in the universe.

And yet NONE OF THAT IS EVIDENCE OF A CREATOR. Just saying it's complex is not immediately evidence that it was created. If you want to show something is created, show that it is created or show the creator, or even the creation process.
 
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For a typical protein length of about 300 amino acids, more than 10^390 different polypeptide chains could theoretically be made. This is such an enormous number that to produce just one molecule of each kind would require many more atoms than exist in the universe.

That's more chances than there are seconds in the universe!
 
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I think one major thing that reveals the major flaw with this whole "more polypeptide chains than stars in the universe!" gotcha creationists think they have is that... no thought is given to how long these things exist for. How long they live for.

Populations of animals with miniscule lifespans exist.
Bacteria have lifespans measured in hours.

Not everything lives for years and years and years.
 
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And yet NONE OF THAT IS EVIDENCE OF A CREATOR.

It leans more towards a Creator than it does Mother Nature though.

Just saying it's complex is not immediately evidence that it was created.

It's more evidence than being simple though.

If you want to show something is created, show that it is created or show the creator, or even the creation process.

They were a series of non-evidence generating miracles.

Meaning science had nothing to do with it.
 
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It leans more towards a Creator than it does Mother Nature though.



It's more evidence than being simple though.



They were a series of non-evidence generating miracles.

Meaning science had nothing to do with it.

No evidence for a creator from you then. Very nice. Thanks for playing. Your gift bag is to the right before you leave the door.
 
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And yet they're still around after supposedly 3.45 billion years.

Imagine that!

Because they reproduce exponentially, every 4 to 20 minutes, and fit into their biological niche.

Ants only live on average up to a year, but their queens produce thousands of eggs.

It's all just a numbers game.

And cue embedded age nonsense...
 
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No evidence for a creator from you then.

Not unless you want to tell science's cause-and-effect principle to take a hike by pooh poohing:

1. the Bible
2. time divided into BC & AD
3. organizations such as the Red Cross and Salvation Army
4. hospitals built by Christian organizations
5. Christian artwork, edifices, statuary, and literature
6. IN GOD WE TRUST on our coins
7. UNDER GOD in our pledge of allegiance
8. the Ten Commandments and other literature displayed in public
9. Christmas & Easter
10. symbols on bumper stickers and flags
11. public debates in the name of Christianity
12. crosses and billboards erected to testify of Jesus Christ
13. two major nations founded on His existence
14. martyrs
 
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Not unless you want to tell science's cause-and-effect principle to take a hike by pooh poohing:

1. the Bible
2. time divided into BC & AD
3. organizations such as the Red Cross and Salvation Army
4. hospitals built by Christian organizations
5. Christian artwork, edicices, statuary, and literature
6. IN GOD WE TRUST on our coins
7. UNDER GOD in our pledge of allegiance
8. the Ten Commandments and other literature displayed in public
9. Christmas & Easter
10. symbols on bumper stickers and flags
11. public debates in the name of Christianity
12. crosses and billboards erected to testify of Jesus Christ
13. two major nations founded on His existence
14. martyrs

As has been said repeatedly, those specifics are evidence of people being Christian, not evidence itself of a creator.
 
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The sequence is VERY SPECIFIC, it is a code that gets translated. Tell us how the sequence became arranged.
The annoying thing is that reality - god's creation, if you like - shows you wrong.
Just a few examples:
Here is a link to a site that lists more than 700 variations of the human haemoglobin gene - all viable.

A very cool experiment, performed by Yuuki Hayashi et al. proves you also wrong.
Before the actual gene there is a genetic "switch" in the DNA before the DNA part that codes for a protein. This switch can be activated by a hormone, a the metabolic starting material or any other signal molecule. Yuuki Hayashi et al. performed a cool experiment: they stripped the coding part of the DNA of a virus that codes for the protein that grants access to a E. coli batcteria and replaced it with a random stretch of DNA. After 20 generations the virus had increased its infectivity by 1.7*10^7 compared with the starting generation.
The funny thing is that despite doing exactly the same function (allowing the virus to enter a cell) the sequence was completely different from the wild type.
source to the original papers:
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Experimental Rugged Fitness Landscape in Protein Sequence Space

The fitness landscape in sequence space determines the process of biomolecular evolution. To plot the fitness landscape of protein function, we carried out in vitro molecular evolution beginning with a defective fd phage carrying a random polypeptide ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0022519306005984


Another simple and elegant way to show multiple variations can perform the same function, was set up by professor Kishony and his team. A gigantic petri dish was divided in lanes with increasing concentration of antibiotics, from (0 , no antibiotics: 1 just enough to kill all bacteria, gradually up to 1000 x the concentration of 1). Different strains of Escherichia Coli were spotted in the 0 lane. As this lane got filled and the places for new bacteria got depleted the bacteria were pushing against the boundary of the 10 lane. Only those bacteria and their descendants that got the suitable mutations for surviving in a higher concentration of antibiotics made it to the next lane. The experiment filmed over 11 days shows clearly that bacteria can evolve a resistance to a 1000 fold stronger concentration of antibiotics than the wild type bacteria.


Here you have the same experiment, but with professor Kishony explaining the experiment


It shows that evolution is cumulative. Each mutation increases the resistance to the antibiotics in an incremental way (see how the growth of the culture pauses at every boundary and how the growth always start at one tiny spot). But it also shows that different lineages with different DNA sequences can make it to the next concentration.

a technical paper published by the team

Spatiotemporal microbial evolution on antibiotic landscapes

the website of Roy Kishony's research institue:

Home - Kishony lab
 
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As has been said repeatedly, those specifics are evidence of people being Christian, not evidence itself of a creator.

Which came first?

(And thanks. I'm going to put "Christians" on that list as well.)
 
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