Nuclear Strike "most likely" Coming!

Imagine, you called for help for a long time and you alone were foughting off three gangsters. While the question of help was being decided, they beat you badly. Finally you are told that help is on the way. But it’s too late, you already need a hospital bed, not help. That's all you already want. Ukrainians now want nothing more than to heal the wounds inflicted on Ukraine.

The Ukrainian people are on the verge of extinction. If someone later defeats the Russians, what joy will this bring to the dead Ukrainians (when there will no longer be any Ukrainian people in Ukraine)? To prevent the people from dying, a truce is necessary for at least a few years.

ValeriyK2022 said:

The West was late in providing help.

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Yes we were. From the moment it was clear the Russia's complete takeover would not happen we have been late to supply artillery, armored vehicles, rocket systems, air defense systems, ammunition, tanks, and aircraft.

ValeriyK2022 said:

Ukrainians are already tired of fighting. We need a break, a truce for at least a few years. To force Ukrainians to fight, the government closed the border and is catching men, giving 2 options: 1) to war; 2) to prison. This is very cruel. You can not do it this way.

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Russia is also exhausted. It has thrown away enormous amounts of manpower and military capacity to execute this invasion. They too would like a pause to rearm, retrain, and resupply for a couple years.

As the nominally weaker fighter in this war, Ukraine would likely lose relative ground to Russia if the war paused for both to resupply as Russia has a larger economy, population, and industrial base.

ValeriyK2022 said:

This could end badly.

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I wouldn't worry. Follow Jesus and the apostles.

ValeriyK2022 said:

Exactly the same forces exist in Russia.

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Ukraine Battalions exist in Russia?

What TRIP are you taking that causes you to post something like that?

No they don't.
What you posted are not photos of Russia Soldiers in the Military.. whereas the Azov Nazi's, are a Battalion IN the Ukraine Army.
There are NO Nazi Battalions in any part of the Russia Military

You dont find this in Russia., because this is a UKRAINE Nazi Patch on a UKRAINIAN Soldier....

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ValeriyK2022 said:

But for the sake of fairness, it must be said that neither in Ukraine nor in Russia the National Socialists have a majority either in parliament or in the government.

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For the sake of Honestly, you need to get your sources correct and yourself also. @ValeriyK2022 .

See, you have no idea what you are talking about, at all.

And what you need to do, is research some things..

Start here.. @ValeriyK2022

In July 2021 Russia became the most recent nation to join European countries adopting legal measures aimed at stopping the spread of Nazi symbols and ideology. Nations including Germany, France, Austria, Belgium, Romania and Spain have had laws for more than a decade targeting revisionism.

Russia’s new Federal Law No. 280-FZ prohibits the use or public display of Nazi symbols, speeches, or images of leaders or groups identified as criminal by the International Military Tribunal during the 1945-46 Nuremberg Trials. In addition to prohibiting materials related to the Nazi Party, the legislation also extends to cover the Fascist Party of Italy, as well as organizations that collaborated with Axis war criminals, and groups that promote “national and/or racial superiority” or “justify the practice of committing war or crimes aimed at the complete or partial destruction of any ethnic, social, racial, national or religious group.”

Kokavkrystallos said:

Wow, I see you are from Ukraine and saying this.

Luke 14:31-32 I have often cited "Or what king, going to make war against another king, sitteth not down first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet him that cometh against him with twenty thousand?
Or else, while the other is yet a great way off, he sendeth an ambassage, and desireth conditions of peace."

Sadly, your President relied on others, and may have even assumed others (the West, NATO) would help and how much they would help. It was almost as if he had an entitlement. So the Ukrainian people bought into this for awhile, and have fought quite bravely. And so have the Russians. And tens of thousands on both sides have been killed.

I also have seen from living in US, that we have given Ukraine only enough to hold off the Russians or maybe make a little headway, but not enough for an outright victory, and then due to American political infighting held back support for so long that Russia made headway, then we decide to send aid again. Will this cycle continue, or when is enough enough? The more we feed Ukraine in increments of weaponry and funding, the more die, and the more gets destroyed. Plus the whole thing about Ukraine & Russia being brethren.

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In my opinion, both countries have already lost. In addition, the EU countries (the US's main allies in the world) have already lost too. Now I will explain why.

Ukrainians in 1991 numbered 52 million. Now even 30 million is a pipe dream. Nobody knows how many are left: 20 or 25. For such a huge territory (the largest country in Europe after Russia), this is not enough. Children left en masse for the European Union, and old people stayed.

There is also a strong demographic crisis in Russia. As a result, these lands may go to Asian peoples of Muslim origin, as happened in the former Yugoslavia. Little by little, Asian peoples of predominantly Muslim faith will become neighbors of the European Union instead of the post-Christian peoples of Russia and Ukraine (who are close to Europeans in language and culture). Only they have a high birth rate.

That is why everyone has already lost this war: Ukraine, Russia, Europe and the USA.

The longer people die in this war, the more this problem will escalate and then lead to terrible results for all of the above parties.

Aviel said:

Ukraine Battalions exist in Russia?

What TRIP are you taking that causes you to post something like that?

No they don't.
What you posted are not photos of Russia Soldiers in the Military.. whereas the Azov Nazi's, are a Battalion IN the Ukraine Army.
There are NO Nazi Battalions in any part of the Russia Military

You dont find this in Russia., because this is a UKRAINE Nazi Patch on a UKRAINIAN Soldier....

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For the sake of Honestly, you need to get your sources correct and yourself also. @ValeriyK2022 .

See, you have no idea what you are talking about, at all.

And what you need to do, is research some things..

Start here.. @ValeriyK2022

In July 2021 Russia became the most recent nation to join European countries adopting legal measures aimed at stopping the spread of Nazi symbols and ideology. Nations including Germany, France, Austria, Belgium, Romania and Spain have had laws for more than a decade targeting revisionism.

Russia’s new Federal Law No. 280-FZ prohibits the use or public display of Nazi symbols, speeches, or images of leaders or groups identified as criminal by the International Military Tribunal during the 1945-46 Nuremberg Trials. In addition to prohibiting materials related to the Nazi Party, the legislation also extends to cover the Fascist Party of Italy, as well as organizations that collaborated with Axis war criminals, and groups that promote “national and/or racial superiority” or “justify the practice of committing war or crimes aimed at the complete or partial destruction of any ethnic, social, racial, national or religious group.”

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Before spreading Russian propaganda, please read the documents first.

Ukrainian law officially prohibits Nazi and communist symbols.

Here is a link to this official law, passed by the Ukrainian parliament many years ago: Про засудження комуністичного та націонал-соціалістичного (нацистського) тоталітарних режимів в Україні та заборону пропаганди їхньої символіки

If someone believes that this is Nazi symbols, then it was necessary to prove this in the courts (Ukrainian and international) and prohibit its wearing through the courts, and not throw bombs and missiles at the cities of Ukraine.

Kokavkrystallos said:

I'd like to see Russia & Ukraine reunited under a decent Russian government, not perfect, but better than what's going on now. I often look at Vietnam. the West lost that war same as Afghanistan, but the difference is, Vietnam turned out to be better than it had been when it was divided, and it was the Communist/socialists who won! Not perfect, but better.

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Bad example on my opinion. Vietnam had been it's own nationalist identity before it was divided and merely returned to that after the reunification. Ukraine had been it's own distinct national identity, even forming a government in exile while under USSR rule, distinct from USSR/Russia amd having historically existed in some form or another distinct from Russia before that as well.
It would be more like saying that Vietnam would be better off "reunited" under a Chinese government.

Kokavkrystallos said:

I'd like to see Russia & Ukraine reunited under a decent Russian government, not perfect, but better than what's going on now.

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That is precisely Putin's position, casting himself as 'a decent Russian'. It is not what the vast majority of Ukrainians want.

To them 're-united' means 'subjugated'. Putin's plan is like that of Catherine the Great. She too sent an invading army into Ukraine and for similar reasons - imperial expansion.

Kokavkrystallos said:

I'd like to see Russia & Ukraine reunited under a decent Russian government, not perfect, but better than what's going on now.

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The problem with that is that the Russians and Ukrainians are different people with different languages. They haven't been "the same" since the time when the Rus ruled from Kyiv. The Moskovites later took the name of the Rus for themselves -- Russian.

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And I'm aware of the rift between Kiev and Moskovites. When reading the history of Rus it dates back quite a ways. But there was also a time of unity. The Orthodox Church also kept some form of unity.

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There are other nations that share the Orthodox Church, they are not unified together ethnically or politically be default.

Kokavkrystallos said:

Then again in USA there is still somewhat of a rift between north and south.

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Not even close to the same thing. A more similar analogy would be if the US claimed reunification with Canada, invaded, and tried to eradicate Canadian identity.

Kokavkrystallos said:

Rebel flags still fly, but back in 2020 the "North" launched an all out assault against the Confederacy, tearing down statues, renaming things, burning Confederate flags.

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The Confederacy was defeated 155 years before 2020. It ended then. The traitor's banner should never be flown. It is only good for burning.

Kokavkrystallos said:

And I'm aware of the rift between Kiev and Moskovites. When reading the history of Rus it dates back quite a ways. But there was also a time of unity.

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That is a partial view if ever I saw one. But the grain of truth it contains only demonstrates that Ukraine and Russia have always been separate entities. More to the point is the recent separation when Ukraine achieved its independence. It is clear that Ukrainians are in the main determined to hold on to that independence against a Russia bent on imperial expansion. They have this in common with all countries that have achieved independence.

In what is now the Republic of Ireland there was once 'also a time of unity' with the United Kingdom. However, there isn't the slightest possibility of restoring that 'unity' even if anybody wanted to. Absolutely nobody in the UK is thinking of dropping bombs on Dublin or re-occupying parts of the Republic of Ireland.

Contrast this with Putin's ambitions over Ukraine.

The Vietnamese option is also not suitable because Vietnam has never been a Christian people. What God forgives to nations who have not known Jesus Christ, He does not forgive those who have known Him and departed from Him (in essence). This is Europe with Yugoslavia (Serbia), this is Georgia, this is Russia and Ukraine. What God forgives China, India or Vietnam, He will not forgive defectors (Europe, Georgia, Russia and Ukraine). And the USA can also be considered a post-Christian people.

It is the post-Christian peoples who will suffer the most. The population will decrease and, due to the demographic crisis, people will have to be imported from Asia and Africa at such a rapid pace that they will not have time to assimilate. They will simply replace first the Ukrainians, and then other Europeans. Thus, they will gradually occupy these territories without war. This is the punishment for mass apostasy from faith in Jesus Christ.

And no one will can do anything unless there is a massive conversion to Jesus Christ. They (politiks) will all blame each other until even greater trouble comes for everyone.

Regarding whether Ukrainians and Russians are culturally or genetically distant, this is not an important question at all. Ukrainians were ready to give up part of their sovereignty in order to join the EU (only while maintaining traditional values regarding family and gender).

It is clear from the actions of Ukrainians that language and the state are not the main thing for them now. The main thing: human rights (the right to life, to personal freedom and security and to personal dignity) and a high quality of life.

Ukrainians get along well with Poles, Czechs and even Germans, the main thing is that the attitude is good and there is an opportunity to work and earn decent money. And they get by very well without a language; they learn Polish, German, French, English, Italian. And these languages for Ukrainians are much more difficult than Russian (just as for Russian there is no easier language than Ukrainian).

Therefore, the issue is not the language, but the fact that states are in a state of war and there is a massive loss of life. Solving the issue of language through war is like putting out a fire with gasoline.

At the same time, the idea of all similar peoples living in one country is unreasonable. What is this for? This will only lead to wars. For example, there are 2 neighboring countries (Germany and Austria, USA and Canada). They are as similar to each other as Russia and Ukraine. Why unite them into one country? Who will benefit from this? They can do wherever everything they go anyway. Why unite them under one White House? To have a reason to fight?

johnpegasis7 said:

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There has been an interesting thing on Polish YouTube for a couple of years now, they are YT channels intended for Christians, in which messages are written from spiritual beings who have reached several prophets from all over the world,
Each message goes to more than 10 of these Christian channels..
It is supposed to be messages in which these beings, for several years now, have been speaking to a large prayer group that he is preparing for the great judgment, they wrote them various messages there, including apocalyptic ones, which they are expected to deliver soon,
But they say there are only days left until the big disaster...
It's interesting....

https://m.youtube.com/@WorldofPrayers

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Just days? That’s going to age like milk.

ValeriyK2022 said:

The Vietnamese option is also not suitable because Vietnam has never been a Christian people.

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The only "Vietnamese option" I saw above was a reference to uniting divided Vietnam under China. Ukraine wasn't divided prior to Russia's invasion.

ValeriyK2022 said:

What God forgives to nations who have not known Jesus Christ, He does not forgive those who have known Him and departed from Him (in essence). This is Europe with Yugoslavia (Serbia), this is Georgia, this is Russia and Ukraine. What God forgives China, India or Vietnam, He will not forgive defectors (Europe, Georgia, Russia and Ukraine).

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What?

ValeriyK2022 said:

And the USA can also be considered a post-Christian people.

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I try to tell people that, but they won't accept the reality. (No need to continue on this, back to Ukraine.)

ValeriyK2022 said:

It is the post-Christian peoples who will suffer the most. The population will decrease and, due to the demographic crisis, people will have to be imported from Asia and Africa at such a rapid pace that they will not have time to assimilate. They will simply replace first the Ukrainians, and then other Europeans. Thus, they will gradually occupy these territories without war. This is the punishment for mass apostasy from faith in Jesus Christ.

And no one will can do anything unless there is a massive conversion to Jesus Christ. They (politiks) will all blame each other until even greater trouble comes for everyone.

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How does this have anything to do with the war?

ValeriyK2022 said:

Regarding whether Ukrainians and Russians are culturally or genetically distant, this is not an important question at all. Ukrainians were ready to give up part of their sovereignty in order to join the EU (only while maintaining traditional values regarding family and gender).

It is clear from the actions of Ukrainians that language and the state are not the main thing for them now. The main thing: human rights (the right to life, to personal freedom and security and to personal dignity) and a high quality of life.

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You can have both. It's kind of the "EU thing" -- human rights, high quality of life, and regional language and culture in a large economic sphere. It's not hard to understand why the majority of Ukrainians prefer this to Slavic/Orthodox unity with the repressive Russian state.

ValeriyK2022 said:

Ukrainians get along well with Poles, Czechs and even Germans, the main thing is that the attitude is good and there is an opportunity to work and earn decent money. And they get by very well without a language; they learn Polish, German, French, English, Italian. And these languages for Ukrainians are much more difficult than Russian (just as for Russian there is no easier language than Ukrainian).

Therefore, the issue is not the language, but the fact that states are in a state of war and there is a massive loss of life. Solving the issue of language through war is like putting out a fire with gasoline.

At the same time, the idea of all similar peoples living in one country is unreasonable. What is this for? This will only lead to wars. For example, there are 2 neighboring countries (Germany and Austria, USA and Canada). They are as similar to each other as Russia and Ukraine. Why unite them into one country? Who will benefit from this? They can do wherever everything they go anyway. Why unite them under one White House? To have a reason to fight?

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Again, it is not clear what your point is here.

ValeriyK2022 said:

It is clear from the actions of Ukrainians that language and the state are not the main thing for them now. The main thing: human rights (the right to life, to personal freedom and security and to personal dignity) and a high quality of life.

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And it is equally clear from the actions of the Russian government that they wish to deny them these things. And there are reasons for this; many Ukrainians have family connections over the border. Many Russians know very well what is going on in Ukraine and would like some of it for themselves.

That sort of thing would bring an end to the Putin fantasy of a New Russian Empire. If you don't yet believe Putin's ambitions, just watch a bit of the ceremonial swearing in for Putin's fifth term of office!)

Hans Blaster said:

What?

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It is that no one takes God and His will into account. They live as if He does not exist.

Hans Blaster said:

How does this have anything to do with the war?

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War must have meaning. What is the point in a war in which Ukraine, Russia and Europe have already lost and the United States will soon lose too?

It seems to me that I have substantiated that the more people die, the greater the loss. For Ukrainians right away, for Russians a little later, for Europeans even later, and for Americans even later. But everyone will lose!

More precisely, all the named parties have already lost, but they will see the consequences at different times.

Hans Blaster said:

Again, it is not clear what your point is he

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This is a response to several posts I've read.
1. I object that linguistic differences or similarities between languages can be a cause of military conflicts. If so, then everyone in the EU would already be at war with each other. But if there is mutual respect, then language differences do not lead to military or other conflicts. It is a myth that Ukrainians are such nationalists that they are ready to fight over their language. The reasons are other.
2. I do not agree that if Russia had a smart and kind Christian and democratic government, then it would be a good solution to annex Ukraine to Russia. This is the same as the US starting to annex Canada. What is this for? Or Germany - Austria. What is this for? Russia and Ukraine were in the same state until 1991. Then they divided the property without war. Now there is such an intensity of passions that without war it will be difficult to divide anything.

Whyayeman said:

And it is equally clear from the actions of the Russian government that they wish to deny them these things. And there are reasons for this; many Ukrainians have family connections over the border. Many Russians know very well what is going on in Ukraine and would like some of it for themselves.

That sort of thing would bring an end to the Putin fantasy of a New Russian Empire. If you don't yet believe Putin's ambitions, just watch a bit of the ceremonial swearing in for Putin's fifth term of office!)

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What are you offering?