Recent content by Jeffrey Bowden

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    VOTE HOW MANY BELIEVE IN A PRE TRIBULATION HOPE/RAPTURE ?

    I said pick one to disprove. None of those disprove what will happen with 1 Th 4:16-17. They fit perfectly with Acts 1:11. No other verses fit perfectly with Acts 1:11. In Acts 1:9-10, Jesus ascended in the view of believers, only (His disciples). Jesus ascended into heavenly clouds, into...
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    VOTE HOW MANY BELIEVE IN A PRE TRIBULATION HOPE/RAPTURE ?

    I see you’re new to these verses. I will not debate with you. God bless!
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    VOTE HOW MANY BELIEVE IN A PRE TRIBULATION HOPE/RAPTURE ?

    Paul wrote 1 Thessalonians in AD51. The rapture verses are 1 Th 4:16-17 (ESV): For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive, who are...
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    VOTE HOW MANY BELIEVE IN A PRE TRIBULATION HOPE/RAPTURE ?

    That’s fine. I debate folks who insist it isn’t true. God bless!
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    VOTE HOW MANY BELIEVE IN A PRE TRIBULATION HOPE/RAPTURE ?

    God’s wrath begins in the Trib no later than the 2nd seal. 1 Th 1:10 (NIV): and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come. “Delivers us" in 1 Th 1:10 means we are snatched away (raptured): "The second usage of deliverance...
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    VOTE HOW MANY BELIEVE IN A PRE TRIBULATION HOPE/RAPTURE ?

    In Rev 3:10, Jesus said, “ The commission is our assignment until death or rapture, whichever comes first. Rev 3:10 (ESV): Because you have kept my word about patient endurance, I will keep you from the hour of trial that is coming on the whole world, to try those who dwell on the earth...
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    VOTE HOW MANY BELIEVE IN A PRE TRIBULATION HOPE/RAPTURE ?

    Acts 1:11 is about the next return of Jesus. In John 14:3 (NIV), Jesus says, “I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.” Jesus is in Heaven. John 14:3 is Jesus’ promise to return to exclusively rapture us to Heaven. He won’t be returning at that time for any...
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    VOTE HOW MANY BELIEVE IN A PRE TRIBULATION HOPE/RAPTURE ?

    John 14:3 (NIV): And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. Verse 3: I will come back and TAKE YOU to be with me ——- that fulfills 1 Th 4:16-17, after the last trump in 1 Th 4:16 and 1 Cor 15:52, and our being taken up...
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    VOTE HOW MANY BELIEVE IN A PRE TRIBULATION HOPE/RAPTURE ?

    Rev 12 is about Satan losing the war in Heaven and being thrown down to earth. He immediately attacks new converts that are giving testimony of Jesus Christ. That is where the second group of martyrs comes from for the GM. They end up in Rev 20:4. Rev 3:10 (ESV): I will keep you from the hour...
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    VOTE HOW MANY BELIEVE IN A PRE TRIBULATION HOPE/RAPTURE ?

    Jesus is perfect in every way, including His grammar. In Rev 3:10, “you” and “those” cannot relate to the same group. “You” was used to address folks in Jesus’ presence. In reference to “those who dwell on the earth,” he was referring to folks very distant. Jesus chose the correct words, and...
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    VOTE HOW MANY BELIEVE IN A PRE TRIBULATION HOPE/RAPTURE ?

    Jesus ascended 40 days into AD1. Rev was written around 95 to 96 AD. That’s when Paul received his vision. Rev 1:19 (ESV): Write therefore the things that you have seen, those that are and those that are to take place after this. ——- What is to take place after this? Rev 4:1 (ESV): After this...
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    VOTE HOW MANY BELIEVE IN A PRE TRIBULATION HOPE/RAPTURE ?

    Where does the Bible say seals 1 - 5 begin in AD1? You are ignoring all proof that “those who dwell on the earth” are unbelievers. Rev 3:10 therefore is about two groups: “You” is we believers, and “those” are unbelievers since they are “those who dwell on the earth.” We are therefore not on...
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    VOTE HOW MANY BELIEVE IN A PRE TRIBULATION HOPE/RAPTURE ?

    Luke 23:43 (ESV): And he said to him, “Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in paradise.” Jesus told the newly saved thief that when he dies, he will go straight to paradise. You claim all dead believers go under the altar. Who’s right between you two? Only the martyrs from the Trib...
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    VOTE HOW MANY BELIEVE IN A PRE TRIBULATION HOPE/RAPTURE ?

    Here are key parts of Rev 20:4-5 (ESV): … They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5 The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended. In verse 4, the GM is resurrected and will reign with Jesus in the MK. Those martyrs entered the Trib as...
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    VOTE HOW MANY BELIEVE IN A PRE TRIBULATION HOPE/RAPTURE ?

    You haven’t studied enough about the GWTJ. It is a judgement only for those who died in sin. It’s “all” is only about all “the dead,” not “the dead in Christ.” Rev 20:4-5 offers a good example of “the dead in Christ” and “the dead” mentioned in two sentences. Rev 20:4 (NIV): … They came to...