Yet Again, At Planet Fitness...

[Ceallaigh]

I (as well as many others here) have explained this to death. And then after we’ve explained it, there’s the chorus of “No you haven’t! Lalala I can’t hear you!” responses from the willfully ignorant. The paranoid about natural changes in language is fascinating.

I haven't read it. Could you link the post please?

I read in Psychology Today (which I’m sure is ran by communists or aliens or the Illuminati according to some people here), that conservatives are driven by fear and anxiety. So the ‘trans derangement syndrome’ definitely tracks.

As the article suggests I think it's a matter of vigilance on the part of conservatives vs complacency on the part of liberals.

"Peer-reviewed research shows that conservatives are generally more sensitive to threat. While this threat-bias can distort reality, fuel irrational fears, and make one more vulnerable to fear-mongering politicians, it could also promote hypervigilance, perhaps making one better prepared to handle an immediate threat."

Fear and Anxiety Drive Conservatives' Political Attitudes

Can brain differences explain conservatives' fear-driven political stances?

www.psychologytoday.com

 

[Ceallaigh]

This brings up another good point. When you say something like this our leftist friends would tell you that you can't claim that because there is no evidence that you are indeed disabled. And you are not allowed to park in a handicapped stall or collect disability unless you can prove it. And there are ways to prive you are not.

Same would go for the age thing including ways to prive you are not 65. In these two instances what you identify as is irrelevant. If course we could come up with any number of scenarios that.fit that.

But when it comes to being having a transgender identity no evidence us required.

Yet they will turn around and say that if a male says he is a female he is a female and dies bit have to do anything to prive it and there is no way to disprove the identity.

The incongruence in their thought is astounding. There is no consistency at all in their thought processes regarding this.

I can't think of any other thing a person can say they identify as, where their response wouldn't be saying how absurd and unrealistic that is. That if someone says that's what they are, they're either delusional or lying about it to get attention and special treatment.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Absolutely. I also love the

left male - "a man feels he is a woman therefore he is one."
Us-whats a woman and how does a man know what a woman feels like?
Left male- I can't answer that I'm a man. I asked a woman and she said she can't answer that.
Us-but a man knows what a woman feels like when a woman doesn't even know?
Left male- silence

I tend to cut that short with the question....

Are we talking about a feeling anyone can have like love or anger?

Or some special unique feeling that's specific to trans people and no one else?

 

[Ana the Ist]

But when it comes to being having a transgender identity no evidence us required.

Every dogma ever....it doesn't matter if we're talking about gender, systemic racism, "privilege"....

It doesn't matter if you understand it.

It doesn't matter if it makes sense.

You just need to accept/acknowledge it.

Acceptance /acknowledging it as true is good.

If you don't, you're part of the problem/bad.

 

[Pommer]

I haven't read it. Could you link the post please?

As the article suggests I think it's a matter of vigilance on the part of conservatives vs complacency on the part of liberals.

"Peer-reviewed research shows that conservatives are generally more sensitive to threat. While this threat-bias can distort reality, fuel irrational fears, and make one more vulnerable to fear-mongering politicians, it could also promote hypervigilance, perhaps making one better prepared to handle an immediate threat."

Fear and Anxiety Drive Conservatives' Political Attitudes

Can brain differences explain conservatives' fear-driven political stances?

www.psychologytoday.com

Why is making things better for some people a non-starter for people who aren't “afflicted”?

 

[A2SG]

Lack of imagination aside...glad we agree it's detectable.

Sure...by an autopsy. Short of that, though....

I don't know about you, but if someone tells me they're hungry, I'm fine with just accepting that. I don't feel the need to perform an autopsy to confirm it.

Unlike the claims of the zealots of your new faith.

Actually, there is evidence that suggests brain chemistry more closely matches gender identity instead of biological sex, among transgender individuals. Similar to the hunger example, these things can't be tested except by very invasive methods, and research is ongoing, so it isn't conclusive, but the evidence is "significant."

So it may not be a matter of faith after all. Just so you know.

-- A2SG, not that it was ever a matter of faith for me, but you don't care what I say, only what you prefer to ignorantly and incorrectly assume about me anyway, so....

 

[Pommer]

That if someone says that's what they are, they're either delusional or lying about it to get attention and special treatment.

I’m pretty sure they know that there’s “something” wrong, but treating it as solely a “mental health issue” ignores the fact they wouldn’t be transitioning if therapy ”worked”.

 

[A2SG]

Yeah, that's a pretty good example...the circular definition.

The more annoying one imo typically goes like...

Left- gender is a set of clothing, behaviors, social/cultural norms, and personal feelings
Us- when women wear suits and pants and men wear drag....those are transgender people?
Left- well no...but they can be...
Us- when men decide to become nurses and women do math or leave the kitchen...those are transgender people?
Left- well no...but they can be....
Us- then we must be talking about personal feelings?
Left- but it's more than that....
Us- what more?
Left- gender is a set of clothing, behaviors, social/cultural norms, and personal feelings
Us- are you having stroke?

That one is also a circular loop.

You haven't answered any of my questions. The only thing you have done is post a definition form Oxford dictionary. The dictionary actually affirmed that gender always refers to sex. And you failed to explain how gender differs from sex. Please give us a post number where you explained the difference between gender and sex.

You've also failed to define woman.

Here's how it usually goes.

Us- Whats gender?
Left- it's an identity
Us- Of what
Left- Of what they feel like
Us- Feel like what?
Left- their gender
Us- what gender
Left- what they feel like
Us- A man feels like a woman?
Left-yes
Us- you mean like biological woman
Left- no the female gender
Us- what's female gender
Left-an identity

And on it goes. No definition of gender is ever offered. It's all a big circle. And you have done the same thing. Made a claim that you explained it and when asked to point it out you can't.

Another big fail.

How to say you're not interested in listening to the other point of view without actually saying you aren't interested in listening to the other point of view.

No definition of gender is ever offered.

gender​

(noun)
the male sex or the female sex, especially when considered with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones, or one of a range of other identities that do not correspond to established ideas of male and female.​

Sound familiar?

-- A2SG, pay attention to the bolded part, don't stop reading after the first comma....

 

[Ceallaigh]

I’m pretty sure they know that there’s “something” wrong, but treating it as solely a “mental health issue” ignores the fact they wouldn’t be transitioning if therapy ”worked”.

My point is those who go along with someone identifying as whatever gender, probably would call someone identifying as anything else being silly, crazy, attention seeking etc.

 

[Ceallaigh]

Why is making things better for some people a non-starter for people who aren't “afflicted”?

Because what's really happening is leading all young people to have the view that male, female, gay, straight are false constructs and therefore sexual orientation and gender pertaining to everyone is a fluid fluctuating spectrum based on whim.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Sure.


Actually, there is evidence that suggests brain chemistry more closely matches gender identity instead of biological sex, among transgender individuals.

Let's assume that's true....

If someone claimed to be trans and their "brain chemistry" doesn't match the biological sex they claim it does...

Would you deny that person's claim of being trans?

Edit- never mind. This is a study of 24 men, 24 women, and 24 "trans women".

It's a garbage study with no sample size worth considering.

 

[A2SG]

Let's assume that's true....

If someone claimed to be trans and their "brain chemistry" doesn't match the biological sex they claim it does...

Would you deny that person's claim of being trans?

No one needs me to accept, or deny, any claims of being trans, so my opinion doesn't matter a pair of fetid dingo's kidneys.

Edit- never mind. This is a study of 24 men, 24 women, and 24 "trans women".

It's a garbage study with no sample size worth considering.

Ah, there it is.

-- A2SG, ya never disappoint, bud.....

 

[Ana the Ist]

How to say you're not interested in listening to the other point of view without actually saying you aren't interested in listening to the other point of view.

gender​

​

(noun)​

the male sex or the female sex,​

Yup.

Social/cultural differences unrelated to biology were addressed in this post.

Left- gender is a set of clothing, behaviors, social/cultural norms, and personal feelings
Us- when women wear suits and pants and men wear drag....those are transgender people?
Left- well no...but they can be...
Us- when men decide to become nurses and women do math or leave the kitchen...those are transgender people?
Left- well no...but they can be....
Us- then we must be talking about personal feelings?
Left- but it's more than that....
Us- what more?
Left- gender is a set of clothing, behaviors, social/cultural norms, and personal feelings
Us- are you having stroke?

That one is also a circular loop.

or one of a range of other identities that do not correspond to established ideas of male and female.​

Identities was addressed in this post...

Here's how it usually goes.

Us- Whats gender?
Left- it's an identity
Us- Of what
Left- Of what they feel like
Us- Feel like what?
Left- their gender
Us- what gender
Left- what they feel like
Us- A man feels like a woman?
Left-yes
Us- you mean like biological woman
Left- no the female gender
Us- what's female gender
Left-an identity

Anything else?

 

[Ana the Ist]

No one needs me

Agreed.


We pretty much summarized your entire position without you.

 

[A2SG]

Agreed.


We pretty much summarized your entire position without you.

Wow. You sure showed me!

-- A2SG, man, you can cut the context out of a quote with the best of 'em.....

 

[Pommer]

My point is those who go along with someone identifying as whatever gender, probably would call someone identifying as anything else being silly, crazy, attention seeking etc.

If we change the “identity“ away from “male” “female” “some-‘other-gender’” to be a Martian, or hedgehog or whatever…they’re not “the same”.

 

[Ceallaigh]

If we change the “identity“ away from “male” “female” “some-‘other-gender’” to be a Martian, or hedgehog or whatever…they’re not “the same”.

How is "it's not the same" a legitimate argument against accepting those who identify as something else? It's not a hypothetical scenario. Those people do exist and they're quite sincere. Why is it okay to marginalize them?

 

[Pommer]

How is "it's not the same" a legitimate argument against accepting those who identify as something else? It's not a hypothetical scenario. Those people do exist and they're quite sincere. Why is it okay to marginalize them?

Transgender people aren’t claiming to be anything but “human”, they just have human DNA that has malfunctioned.

 

[Ceallaigh]

Transgender people aren’t claiming to be anything but “human”, they just have human DNA that has malfunctioned.

Why can't otherkin claim DNA malfunction? Evolutionists and others love pointing out how extremely similar human DNA is to other species.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Sure...by an autopsy. Short of that, though....

I don't know about you, but if someone tells me they're hungry, I'm fine with just accepting that. I don't feel the need to perform an autopsy to confirm it.

I doubt that autopsy would do a good job a determining hunger-feeling at death. Sure, the contents of the stomach (recent eating or not) and blood sugar levels might give a general idea of what was most likely the hunger-status of the deceased, but we all know about people feeling hungry after eating and have all had a lost appetite during illness even when you haven't eaten in a day.

(The info that could be gleaned from an autopsy could also be done with less invasive methods like a blood draw and a scan of the stomach.) Back to the usual nonsense...