The fascinating reformed theology paradox of Hebrew 6:4-6

[Aviel]

Again,.... out of curiosity,..... does it say in scripture that fallen angels became demonic spirits that could inhabit humans down here?

Well, we know that a sinner can't demon possess another person.
Right?

They can "gaslight them" or deceive - subvert them using lies.

And we know that the "Legion" of demonic spirits, talked to Jesus, and said...>"put us in those Pigs".

And we know that 2 Angels talked to Mary Mag the morning of Jesus's resurrection.

So, "talking spirits" who are demonic, didnt come from Jupiter., and we read that 1/3rd of the Angels fell from Heaven down to earth.'

 

[ARBITER01]

Well, we know that a sinner can't demon possess another person.
Right?

They can "gaslight them" or deceive - subvert them using lies.

And we know that the "Legion" of demonic spirits, talked to Jesus, and said...>"put us in those Pigs".

And we know that 2 Angels talked to Mary Mag the morning of Jesus's resurrection.

So, "talking spirits" who are demonic, didnt come from Jupiter., and we read that 1/3rd of the Angels fell from Heaven down to earth.'

Again,..... you're not answering my question,.... does scripture say that fallen angelic spirits became demons that could inhabit humans?

I'm not interested in your personal ideas, just scripture.

 

[Aviel]

Again,..... you're not answering my question,.... does scripture say that fallen angelic spirits became demons that could inhabit humans?

I'm not interested in your personal ideas, just scripture.

Does the word "Trinity" exist in scripture?

Does "pre-trib" exist in Scripture.

So, in some cases, we need to compare "scripture with scripture" so that we can find the answer.

And as you can't explain where demons come from, and i have shown you.... then if you would prefer to believe something else, then that would be up to you.

One more for you..

all the fallen angels, are not in hell, and they are somewhere...so.

"demons"

 

[ARBITER01]

Does the word "Trinity" exist in scripture?

Does "pre-trib" exist in Scripture.

So, in some cases, we need to compare "scripture with scripture" so that we can find the answer.

And as you can't explain where demons come from, and i have shown you.... then if you would prefer to believe something else, then that would be up to you.

One more for you..

all the fallen angels, are not in hell, and they are somewhere...so.

"demons"

So in other words, you don't have scripture to substantiate your opinions.

 

[Aviel]

So in other words, you don't have scripture to substantiate your opinions.

I posted a few for you.

Listen, its ok if you don't want to believe that fallen angels are now become what the Bible refers to as demons.

You will note that God never created a Demon., but he did Create Lucifer and Angels who "fell".

So, the NT says that Lucifer, now Satan = is the god of this world, and so what are the fallen angels?

= Demons.

Let me show you one more.

"Hell is/was created for the devil and His angels"

Notice .. ."HIS angels"....they are no longer God's.

So, what would an "angel of the Devil"" be found as, down here ?? @ARBITER01

A.) Demon

 

[ARBITER01]

I posted a few for you.

Listen, its ok if you don't want to believe that fallen angels are now become what the Bible refers to as demons.

You will note that God never created a Demon., but he did Create Lucifer and Angels who "fell".

So, the NT says that Lucifer, now Satan = is the god of this world, and so what are the fallen angels?

= Demons.

Let me show you one more.

"Hell is/was created for the devil and His angels"

Notice .. ."HIS angels"....they are no longer God's.

So, what would an "angel of the Devil"" be found as, down here ?? @ARBITER01

A.) Demon

Just to help you out,.... we don't assume things in scripture.

I don't accept what you are trying to teach because it is not grounded in scripture correctly. Do yourself a favor and seek more from The Holy Spirit and learn from Him.

Currently is appears that you've only been a Christian for maybe 3 weeks with the way you spitball things and hope something sticks.

 

[Danthemailman]

Not according to the text which makes perfectly clear that Peter's denial of Christ was to save his own skin, it was not a loss of faith.

There is counterfeit faith and there is true faith.
In time/testing, counterfeit faith falls away (Lk 8:11-14). . .true faith does not (Lk 8:15).

Time/testing tells the difference.

Amen! In regard to confession and denial of Christ, Matthew 10:32-33 in context relates to the fact that the Pharisees had continuously denied Jesus while the disciples continued to speak about Him in every city they visited.

We might paraphrase His teaching this way: "Whoever confesses me before men (such as you disciples), I will confess him before my Father in heaven. But whoever denies me before men (like the Pharisees do continuously), I will deny him before my Father in heaven.

Those who confess Jesus are those who recognize Him as being the true Messiah and trust in Him as the ALL-sufficient means of their salvation. (Romans 10:8-10) Those who deny Jesus (and those who give mere lip service confession) but refuse to trust in Jesus Christ alone for salvation place themselves beyond any possibility of salvation, since salvation is found only in Him. (John 3:15,16,18; 10:9; 14:6)

The word for "deny" is an aorist tense. This points to the fact that Jesus is not talking about a single instance of denial (as was the case with Peter, who had a temporary, weak moment out of fear and actually denied Jesus three times (Luke 22:56-62) but is referring to life in its entirety. Continuous action.

Hence, the person who throughout his life denies Jesus (as was typically the case with the Pharisess and includes unbelievers who may even give mere "lip service confession" - Matthew 7:22-23, but lack saving faith in Christ) will be denied by Jesus before the Father.

 

[Mercy Shown]

Satan was not more perfect then Adam.

The difference is, that Humans are "Let us create man in OUR image" and angels are not created like this...
They are spiritual beings, but not in the same Light as we are..

Its interesting to note that Angles can sin, but they can't receive Salvation., nor can the Devil... who is a specific CLASS of angelic being.. known as a Cherub...
You can find examples of them here.. on the Ark of the Covenant.
Satan (Lucifer was one of THOSE..
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Peter betrayed the Lord 3x.

Later He wrote 2 Epistle in the NT and was martyr'd for Christ, on a Cross, hanging upside down.

It is an interesting thought that angels can't receive salvation. Even though it is not explicitly stated it seems to be born out in the narrative of the scriptures. Why do you think would an angel be denied a chance at repentance and salvation?

 

[bbbbbbb]

It is an interesting thought that angels can't receive salvation. Even though it is not explicitly stated it seems to be born out in the narrative of the scriptures. Why do you think would an angel be denied a chance at repentance and salvation?

The angels in heaven are entirely different beings than humans. Their souls and spirits are completely different. All is speculation on this topic. If you wish to imagine that angels are funny-looking humans with wings, then so be it. The truth, of course, is that my housecat is really a furry human in disguise.

 

[LoveofTruth]

It only meant that he had sinned against his faith and against Christ.

That means he lost it for a time obviously

 

[LoveofTruth]

I only approach teaching the NT from this point of View.

"Pauline Theology"., as He defined it.

Paul says this

1 Corinthians 14: 37. If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.”

And I believe the words of scripture he wrote they were not his own ideas or made up. Only a few time did he say he did not write certain things by commandment. Therefore all other scriptures he wrote were from God.

 

[LoveofTruth]

The context is that "as the angles dont marry".. nether will the born again, in Heaven.

@Love of the Truth = Angels don't marry, because all Angels are...... MALES......

Not quite

We shall be like the angels in many ways

Luke 20: 35. But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: 36. Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.”

 

[bbbbbbb]

That means he lost it for a time obviously

If he lost it, he lost it forever. Hebrews 6:4-7

4 For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame. 7 For ground that drinks the rain which often falls on it and brings forth vegetation useful to those for whose sake it is also tilled, receives a blessing from God; 8 but if it yields thorns and thistles, it is worthless and close to being cursed, and it ends up being burned.

 

[Clare73]

That means he lost it for a time obviously

Actually it means he lied when he denied, for in his heart he believed.

His sin was against the truth about his faith.

 

[Clare73]

Jesus didnt say He was murdered.
He said He laid down His life..

The Jews are responsible for their Christ Rejection..., and the Romans are responsible for the nails and the crown and the tree.

However, Jesus was Born for this.. "cup"/

< sigh >

 

[Clare73]

It is an interesting thought that angels can't receive salvation. Even though it is not explicitly stated it seems to be born out in the narrative of the scriptures. Why do you think would an angel be denied a chance at repentance and salvation?

For the same reason that the Son of God did not become an angel.

 

[Mercy Shown]

The angels in heaven are entirely different beings than humans. Their souls and spirits are completely different. All is speculation on this topic. If you wish to imagine that angels are funny-looking humans with wings, then so be it. The truth, of course, is that my housecat is really a furry human in disguise.

You should hear my dog if you think your tom cat is a furry human. He's a total skeptic. He believes there is no dog!

 

[Mercy Shown]

For the same reason that the Son of God did not become an angel.

But deeper than that. Jesus could have become an angel and atoned for lost angels. What was the difference between the sins the angels committed and the ones man committed?

 

[Clare73]

But deeper than that. Jesus could have become an angel and atoned for lost angels. What was the difference between the sins the angels committed and the ones man committed?

One was disobedience (to God), the other was blasphemy (rejection of God).

 

[LoveofTruth]

If he lost it, he lost it forever. Hebrews 6:4-7

4 For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame. 7 For ground that drinks the rain which often falls on it and brings forth vegetation useful to those for whose sake it is also tilled, receives a blessing from God; 8 but if it yields thorns and thistles, it is worthless and close to being cursed, and it ends up being burned.

As long as they trust in the law again sacrifices and crucify the Son of God afresh they will not be brought to repentance. But if they repent of these things perhaps. Or this could a evidence of a person who ultimately lost it.