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I go to a Vatican II era church, as most Catholic churches are Vatican II, so I can not make any statements. What do you think about Vatican II?I was talking to a traditional Catholic and they recognize the errors of Vatican 2. Byzantine / Eastern Catholics also see the error of Rome such as the filoque. Most of it seems to be over the simplifification of the liturgy by Rome. While l I do NOT harbor any animosity towards Catholics I just seems like Byzantine Catholics and traditional Catholics would be better off converting with Orthodox instead of continuing the facade of being in communion with the Roman Church which over time has seriously degraded. George Joseph and Carl have really sacrificed the faith to modernity(colloqually known as wokeness) in a futile attempt to seem relevant. Perhaps we could use a form of ecumenicalism as a form to convert them to our side. Perhaps if needed we could convert entire parishes to Orthodoxy. I encourage Christians of all denominations to return to traditionalism.IF THIS BREAKS ANY GUIDELINES I APOLOGIZE
For those unfamiliar with Vatican II, here is a Cliff's Notes rundown:
Sources: https://www.npr.org/2012/10/10/162573716/why-is-vatican-ii-so-important , An overview of the Second Vatican Council - Vatican News
Vatican II, also known as the Second Ecumenical Council of the Vatican, was a significant event in the history of the Roman Catholic Church that took place between 1962 and 1965. The council was convened by Pope John XXIII with the goal of updating and renewing the Church's doctrine and pastoral practices in light of the modern world. It is considered a major turning point in the history of the Catholic Church as it brought about numerous reforms that have had a profound impact on the way the Church functions and relates to the world.
The council was attended by 2,500 bishops from around the world, making it the largest ecumenical council in history. The sessions were divided into four constituent parts: the Church in relation to the modern world (aggiornamento), divine revelation and sacred scripture, the Church's sacramental life and ministry, and the Church in relation to other Christian bodies.
Some of the most important documents or decrees of Vatican II include:
1. The Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy (Sacrosanctum Concilium): This document called for a renewal of the liturgy and made provisions for greater use of the vernacular language in the Mass.
2. The Dogmatic Constitution on the Church (Lumen Gentium): This document redefined the role of the laity within the Church and affirmed the importance of the Church as a universal community.
3. The Pastoral Constitution on the Church in the Modern World (Gaudium et Spes): This document addressed the relationship of the Church to the modern world and called for dialogue with other faiths, cultures, and ideologies.
4. The Declaration on Religious Freedom (Dignitatis Humanae): This document recognized the right of individuals to religious freedom and affirmed that religious belief is a matter of conscience.
5. The Declaration on Ecumenism (Unitatis Redintegratio): This document called for increased dialogue and cooperation between the Catholic Church and other Christian bodies.
6. The Declaration on Interreligious Dialogue (Nostra Aetate): This document recognized the value of other religions and called for dialogue and respect between Catholics and people of other faiths.
Vatican II brought about a new era in the history of the Catholic Church, characterized by greater openness to the world and renewed commitment to dialogue, ecumenism, and religious freedom. It marked a significant shift away from the more authoritarian and insular approach of previous centuries and helped to pave the way for greater engagement with the modern world.
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