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What is your first and last appeal, the Bible or Mrs. White?
It is my understanding that Mrs. White believed her writings were a lesser light to lead readers to the greater light, the Bible. So if my beliefs are strictly Bible based would I be in discord with her writings?
I studied my way into the Adventist faith over forty years ago, when I was in my early thirties, by way of our Revelation Seminars. It was my interest in understanding prophecies of closing events that got me to attend those studies. My interest in those studies continue to this day. I have come to understand it is my spiritual gift/ since it is my greatest interest.
That interest has led me to understand progressive insights outside of what corporate Adventist are willing to consider, because in my years of experience the church will not move passed what Mrs. White understood in 1880, at the time she wrote the GC, one hundred forty four yrs. ago.
Most are aware, without me having to quote her here, that she knew that new light would be forth coming from her time and that nobody should take the position that all our(Adventist) expositions of scripture are without error. Just because our people have held to certain beliefs, this does not make our ideas infallible, as age does not make error into truth. Neither will any true teaching lose anything by close investigation.
It is this counsel that has given me a quilt free conscious to study outside of her own understanding of prophecy. These progressive insights are easily recognized by church leadership and older laity who are well read into the her writings, and are quickly rejected without any investigation, contrary to her explicit counsel.
The reason I am adamant on closing events is that I believe Adventist are just as misinformed as those believing in a secrete rapture. They believe they will be out of here, when the tribulation begins, whereas, Adventist believe most of Revelation is history, except for the mark of the beast and the bowl judgements. which pretty much means, their in the same boat in that they need not understand it. This is a disaster waiting to happen.
I would be amiss if I where not able to share with you some hard facts for you to consider, Following are six prophetic events which the Millerites believed were fulfilled prior to 1844.
The sixth seal opened in 1755, marked by the Lisbon earthquake. (GC 304)
The fifth trumpet sounded in 1299 and the sixth trumpet sounded on August 11, 1840. (GC 335)
The beast that killed the Two Witnesses is France. (GC 268 269)
The Two Witnesses of Revelation 11 are the Old and New Testament. (GC 267)
The beast with seven heads ten horns in Revelation 13 s the papacy in various forms. (GC 439)
The lamb-like beast of Revelation 13 is the United States. (GC 440)
The Adventist church to date still defends these events as being historically fulfilled.
These teachings predate the ministry of Mrs. White. She grew into these views. She was born in 1827, and was twelve years old when William Miller came to her town in 1839, with the end of the world message, that Jesus would return in 1844. This belief naturally required that all pre-Advent prophecies be fulfilled before 1844.
Those Adventists who endured the great disappointment made some important discoveries about progressive truth and God confirmed the accuracy of some of those discoveries through Mrs. White. However, they did not relinquish those prophetic fulfillments above mentioned established by earlier Millerites, and Ellen White was no exception. In 1880 The GC went into circulation in which Mrs. White explains the fulfillment of all six of those prophetic events.
Adventists understanding of the properties of inspiration combined with the GC has halted any serious investigation into what individuals such as I consider progressive truth. These two issues in my opinion is preventing a much improved understanding of Revelations story, even while we are getting closer to closing events.
(In my next post I shall present both Biblical and historical facts.)
It is my understanding that Mrs. White believed her writings were a lesser light to lead readers to the greater light, the Bible. So if my beliefs are strictly Bible based would I be in discord with her writings?
I studied my way into the Adventist faith over forty years ago, when I was in my early thirties, by way of our Revelation Seminars. It was my interest in understanding prophecies of closing events that got me to attend those studies. My interest in those studies continue to this day. I have come to understand it is my spiritual gift/ since it is my greatest interest.
That interest has led me to understand progressive insights outside of what corporate Adventist are willing to consider, because in my years of experience the church will not move passed what Mrs. White understood in 1880, at the time she wrote the GC, one hundred forty four yrs. ago.
Most are aware, without me having to quote her here, that she knew that new light would be forth coming from her time and that nobody should take the position that all our(Adventist) expositions of scripture are without error. Just because our people have held to certain beliefs, this does not make our ideas infallible, as age does not make error into truth. Neither will any true teaching lose anything by close investigation.
It is this counsel that has given me a quilt free conscious to study outside of her own understanding of prophecy. These progressive insights are easily recognized by church leadership and older laity who are well read into the her writings, and are quickly rejected without any investigation, contrary to her explicit counsel.
The reason I am adamant on closing events is that I believe Adventist are just as misinformed as those believing in a secrete rapture. They believe they will be out of here, when the tribulation begins, whereas, Adventist believe most of Revelation is history, except for the mark of the beast and the bowl judgements. which pretty much means, their in the same boat in that they need not understand it. This is a disaster waiting to happen.
I would be amiss if I where not able to share with you some hard facts for you to consider, Following are six prophetic events which the Millerites believed were fulfilled prior to 1844.
The sixth seal opened in 1755, marked by the Lisbon earthquake. (GC 304)
The fifth trumpet sounded in 1299 and the sixth trumpet sounded on August 11, 1840. (GC 335)
The beast that killed the Two Witnesses is France. (GC 268 269)
The Two Witnesses of Revelation 11 are the Old and New Testament. (GC 267)
The beast with seven heads ten horns in Revelation 13 s the papacy in various forms. (GC 439)
The lamb-like beast of Revelation 13 is the United States. (GC 440)
The Adventist church to date still defends these events as being historically fulfilled.
These teachings predate the ministry of Mrs. White. She grew into these views. She was born in 1827, and was twelve years old when William Miller came to her town in 1839, with the end of the world message, that Jesus would return in 1844. This belief naturally required that all pre-Advent prophecies be fulfilled before 1844.
Those Adventists who endured the great disappointment made some important discoveries about progressive truth and God confirmed the accuracy of some of those discoveries through Mrs. White. However, they did not relinquish those prophetic fulfillments above mentioned established by earlier Millerites, and Ellen White was no exception. In 1880 The GC went into circulation in which Mrs. White explains the fulfillment of all six of those prophetic events.
Adventists understanding of the properties of inspiration combined with the GC has halted any serious investigation into what individuals such as I consider progressive truth. These two issues in my opinion is preventing a much improved understanding of Revelations story, even while we are getting closer to closing events.
(In my next post I shall present both Biblical and historical facts.)