The Chosen series

[timothyu]

If media is fit to complain about, then why do Christians follow the thousands of books out there proclaiming their own theories of scripture or what the religion should be? Don't get me started on dancing or haircuts..

 

[Divide]

I watched Seasons 1 and 2 on Peacock, but it doesn't let me see Season 3 without a subscription.

I thought Season 1 was good, although I noticed some manipulations of facts that I didn't take too seriously, such as how Peter met Jesus when Jesus had Peter catch a whole net-full of fish, which is something that didn't happen until Jesus was resurrected.

Season 2 seemed to stray further from scripture, and I wasn't too bothered at the end when I discovered I couldn't watch Season 3.

I noticed the same things in season 1 & 2. But that's of little consequence. No big deal. What they did do right was to capture the character of the central figures accureately. Well, to the best of my knowledge, lol. Jesus's character is right on! I like it.

 

[Divide]

... I thought Jesus had Peter (and Andrew) catch a bunch of fish early on in the Gospel accounts? Or maybe I've just misunderstood your reference. My apologies if I have.

The account in Luke is towards thr front but the same (?) account in John is towards the end of the book.

Luke 5:4-6
John 21:6-8

Maybe one of them recorded it sooner in his book? But maybe not because one reads that the net was breaking it had so many fish, and the other says the net did not break! So, different incidents of Jesus giving them a net full of fish!

 

[Bible Highlighter]

For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, ‘He has a demon.’ Matthew 11:18

This wasn’t the disciples who said this it was those who rejected their Messiah. It does not mean he was “creepy.” You have to consider the source. Clearly what they said was not true and it was a total false accusation against his character.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I noticed the same things in season 1 & 2. But that's of little consequence. No big deal. What they did do right was to capture the character of the central figures accureately. Well, to the best of my knowledge, lol. Jesus's character is right on! I like it.

The Chosen paints a different Jesus than the one in Scripture. He makes mistakes in the series, and this is not possible according to God’s Word because we never seen Him make a mistake in the Bible, and if He had, He could not be our spotless Lamb to die in our place. Jesus is holy, undefiled, and separate from sinners (Hebrews 7:26). The Chosen Jesus speaks against God’s commands or rules, by saying things like, “It’s not about rules,” “I am the Law,” and “I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners” (instead of saying, “I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance” - Matthew 9:13 KJB, Mark 2:17 KJB, Luke 5:32 KJB). The Jesus of the Bible says, If you love me, keep my commandments (John 14:15) (also see: John 15:10). Jesus needs help with the Sermon on the Mount, when Scripture says that Jesus spoke by the commandment of His Father (See: John 12:49). This is yet another major violation of Scripture in that it attacks our Heavenly Father and our Lord. Three of the followers get drunk (Which is not biblical), and no correction of these kinds of sins is ever brought up. So again, no message of repentance. In addition to the true Jesus being attacked, the apostles are attacked, as well. Matthew has autism, and is going to be punched by Peter. We have at least three followers of Christ who are depicted as drunks (with no rebuke) that is not mentioned in the text at all. So the show is about not honoring the Bible, but it is about attacking the real Jesus and His followers. Only somebody who is biblically illiterate will not be able to see such things. Either that or it is a person who simply does not regard Scripture as their sole authority and or they simply do not have any reverence for the Bible in everything it says. Some believers look at the Bible as some kind of helpful guide like a school text-book but they do not regard it as the very words of God (1 Thessalonians 2:13).

 

[Ceallaigh]

This wasn’t the disciples who said this it was those who rejected their Messiah. It does not mean he was “creepy.” You have to consider the source. Clearly what they said was not true and it was a total false accusation against his character.

You just said "they" the same as Jesus said "they". Which disciples said "creepy John"?

 

[Ceallaigh]

But this is a diversion away from the false charge you made.

What false charge?

I gave you the basic info. that is necessary on the narrow way in order for you to explain how you disagree with me on Matthew 7:14 saying few be there that find life is talking within the sphere of believers only and it does not include pagan religionists, agnostics, atheists, etcetera. So the ball is back in your court. But we both know you cannot do so. So nice diversion tactic. My point in going into further detail about the narrow way again is not necessary for you to explain away Matthew 7:14.

Side Note:

I tell you what. If you explain Matthew 7:14 in how it does not defend me in regards to your false charge and you use Scripture to do it (including Matthew 7), then I will be happy to go into further detail on the narrow way.

I wasn't arguing with you about Matthew 7:14 itself. I was trying to figure out to what extent you think it needs to be taken to to qualify as one of the few. And it seems like you are avoiding answering that. Some people pretend that it's the scripture verse they're quoting that's being questioned, when instead it's their interpretation of the scripture verse that's being questioned.

Although I did finally point out why I think you're wrong about Matthew 7:14 itself in post #329.

 

[Ceallaigh]

No punching involved. It is called spiritual correction by the Word of God, which is a Christian’s prerogative.

The problem is you're not very good at that, which you've been told by many time after time.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

You just said "they" the same as Jesus said "they". Which disciples said "creepy John"?

It is an inconsequential detail. The point is that a fictional character or characters called John the Baptist as “creepy John,” which is wrong. The show makes attacks against Jesus, the Father, and the followers of Christ. But you can defend an insults against our Lord, and His apostles and spit upon Scripture over a TV show if you like.

 

[Ceallaigh]

It is an inconsequential detail. The point is that a fictional character or characters called John the Baptist as “creepy John,” which is wrong. The show makes attacks against Jesus, the Father, and the followers of Christ.

Matthew 11:18 makes it clear that John the Baptist was bad-mouthed. If the disciples were depicted as doing so, you have a valid complaint. If it was others, you don't.

But you can defend an insults against our Lord, and His apostles and spit upon Scripture over a TV show if you like.

I dislike misinformation, which is why I sought calcification, which you declined to supply. Furthermore frequent comments like that against others are appalling.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

I am not into worldly psychology like some churches are. I am merely speaking from experience and with the knowledge of God’s Word.

I, and my legion of scholarly sources, have knowledge of God's Word too.

I sure do have a business to correct others according to God’s Word.

2 Timothy 3:16-17

16 ”All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:​

17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.”​

No one gets to self-deputize or self-ordain themselves for spiritual roles, especially not to go around and condenscend upon other, fellow Christians left and right. Who at your church is backing you in your attitude here?

Then again, you should know this if you know the Bible. I have been posting verses that the Chosen series has violated. It paints a different Jesus than the one in Scripture. He makes mistakes in the series, and this is not possible according to God’s Word because we never seen Him make a mistake in the Bible, and if He had, He could not be our spotless Lamb to die in our place. Jesus is holy, undefiled, and separate from sinners (Hebrews 7:26).

Jesus was sinless, but He was still Human. And even though He was one with the Holy Spirit, I don't think Jesus was omniscience while in the flesh. So, if The Chosen takes some small liberty to 'show' some of Jesus' humanity, I'm not upset about that. I mean, it's not like we're supporting the Davinci Code or some other similar schlock.

The Chosen Jesus speaks against God’s commands or rules, by saying things like, “It’s not about rules,” “I am the Law,” and “I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners” (instead of saying, “I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance” - Matthew 9:13 KJB, Mark 2:17 KJB, Luke 5:32 KJB). The Jesus of the Bible says, If you love me, keep my commandments (John 14:15) (also see: John 15:10). Jesus needs help with the Sermon on the Mount, when Scripture says that Jesus spoke by the commandment of His Father (See: John 12:49). This is yet another major violation of Scripture in that it attacks our Heavenly Father and our Lord. Three of the followers get drunk (Which is not biblical), and no correction of these kinds of sins is ever brought up. So again, no message of repentance. In addition to the true Jesus being attacked, the apostles are attacked, as well. Matthew has autism, and is going to be punched by Peter. We have at least three followers of Christ who are depicted as drunks (with no rebuke) that is not mentioned in the text at all. So the show is about not honoring the Bible, but it is about attacking the real Jesus and His followers. Only somebody who is biblically illiterate will not be able to see such things. Either that or it is a person who simply does not regard Scripture as their sole authority and or they simply do not have any reverence for the Bible in everything it says. Some believers look at the Bible as some kind of helpful guide like a school text-book but they do not regard it as the very words of God (1 Thessalonians 2:13).

The Biblical writers, like any writes of history, can't possible provide an exhaustive and comprehensive narrative describing every single idea, thought, word, or action that either Jesus had or the Apostles had. For all we know, it is possible that some of the earliest disciples had personality and/or cognitive issues just like any Tom, Rick or Sally could today. Peter was known to have been brash at times and to make hastly generalizations, or just not see things that the Lord wanted him to see. Paul wasn't perfect either. None of them were. Jesus was sinless, though. That much we know.

No punching involved. It is called spiritual correction by the Word of God, which is a Christian’s prerogative.

If it's my "prerogative" to go around and "correct" people, then you'll get a heck of a lot of push back from me on a whole lot of stuff, Bible and all ... ... And I can guarantee you, you won't like what I have to say and you'll think The Chosen is the least of your concerns.

So, just stop while you think you're ahead and concentrate more on being civil to other, fellow Trinitarian Christians. Surely you can do that, can't you?

You are upset because I am exposing the truth of the show by Scripture. This is only natural because you like the show. But you have to decide one day what is more important to you in life. Pleasing yourself and or supporting fables and imaginations, or believing and following God’s Word as it is written. That is what this is really about. I can only point you to the way (i.e., to the true Jesus, and to the Scriptures). But it is your decision to ultimately to make of course. I am here to merely inform others of the truth in light of God’s Word.

No, I'm not upset at all that you don't like The Chosen. T.V. shows don't play any part in my theological outlook. So, I don't care about that. I do care when fellow Christians think they're going to get into my face and show me "The Way." ... you ain't!!!!

I hope this helps.

May God’s love shine upon you today.

As I said before, I'm now aware that there is some minimal Mormon influence on the Chosen t.v. series.

The Lord bless you and keep you as well.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

What false charge?

I wasn't arguing with you about Matthew 7:14 itself. I was trying to figure out to what extent you think it needs to be taken to to qualify as one of the few. And it seems like you are avoiding answering that. Some people pretend that it's the scripture verse they're quoting that's being questioned, when instead it's their interpretation of the scripture verse that's being questioned.

Although I did finally point out why I think you're wrong about Matthew 7:14 itself in post #329.

Okay, I reread again what you wrote. You did not refute anything in regards to my use of Matthew 7:14. You did not use Scripture and or any context.

In any event, if you know anything about Matthew 7, you will realize that there are believers who are not saved, but they considered themselves believers because they did wonderful works in His name (Jesus’ name), etcetera. However, Jesus told these believers to depart from Him because they worked iniquity (Matthew 7:22-23). Jesus said of these same believers, “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.” (Matthew 7:21).

To echo verse 21, Jesus said,
“And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.” (Matthew 7:26-27).

So we know by the fact that these are believers Jesus is warning and referring to because Jesus says they called Him (i.e., Jesus) as, “Lord, Lord.” (Matthew 7:21), and in the fact that they cast out devils in His name, prophesied in His name, and did many wonderful works in His name (Matthew 7:22). These are believers but they are shocked to find out they are not saved at the Judgment because Jesus said He did not know them because they worked iniquity. Therefore, Jesus told them to depart from Him. The same truth is taught in Matthew 13:41-42. But the point here is only believers are the context in Matthew 7 (with the chapter referring to both the saved believers and to the unsaved believers).

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Matthew 11:18 makes it clear that John the Baptist was bad-mouthed. If the disciples were depicted as doing so, you have a valid complaint. If it was others, you don't.

First, you are defending a fable or imagination of a man. So you are trying to defend an illusion, which is silly.

Second, Matthew 11:18-19 is said by those who trying to falsely accuse both Jesus and John the Baptist. The words “creepy John” are not said by any disciple in the Bible. Trying to speculate as to whether it is plausible is a fool’s errand. There is nowhere any of the Apostles bad mouthed him or thought he was creepy. Nor does Scripture imply he was creepy. Jesus was not a friend of sinners anymore than He was a winebibber. Jesus says, “Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.” (John 15:14). The apostle Paul says, “Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.” (1 Corinthians 6:10).

I dislike misinformation, which is why I sought calcification, which you declined to supply. Furthermore frequent comments like that against others are appalling.

You did not address what I said with Scripture using the context. Yes, you replied, but it was not a biblical refutation that I was asking for. Just a comment with no reference to the context of Matthew 7 is not a real biblical reply. Demanding a biblical response is not appalling. The forums are for Christians, and Christians use the Bible.

 

[Ceallaigh]

Okay, I reread again what you wrote. You did not refute anything in regards to my use of Matthew 7:14. If you know anything about Matthew 7, you will realize that there are believers who are not saved, but they considered themselves believers because they did wonderful works in His name (Jesus’ name), etcetera. However, Jesus told these believers to depart from Him because they worked iniquity (Matthew 7:22-23). Jesus said of these same believers, “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.” (Matthew 7:21).

To echo verse 21, Jesus said,
“And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.” (Matthew 7:26-27).

So we know by the fact that these are believers Jesus is warning and referring to because Jesus says they called Him (i.e., Jesus) as, “Lord, Lord.” (Matthew 7:21), and in the fact that they cast out devils in His name, prophesied in His name, and did many wonderful works in His name (Matthew 7:22). These are believers but they are shocked to find out they are not saved at the Judgment because Jesus said He did not know them because they worked iniquity. Therefore, Jesus told them to depart from Him. The same truth is taught in Matthew 13:41-42. But the point here is only believers are the context in Matthew 7 (with the chapter referring to both the saved believers and to the unsaved believers).

They're not elect disciples of Christ as evident in Matt 7:23. There's no way that Christ could have never known His elect disciples. "Know" in this case as in having an intimate relationship with, which Christ has with his bride. Christ never knew them, because they never knew him. You've heard of false Christians before.

These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. Matthew 15:8

 

[Ceallaigh]

First, you are defending a fable or imagination of a man. So you are trying to defend an illusion, which is silly.

Second, Matthew 11:18-19 is said by those who trying to falsely accuse both Jesus and John the Baptist. The words “creepy John” are not said by any disciple in the Bible. Trying to speculate as to whether it is plausible is a fool’s errand. There is nowhere any of the Apostles bad mouthed him or thought he was creepy. Nor does Scripture imply he was creepy. Jesus was not a friend of sinners anymore than He was a winebibber. Jesus says, “Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.” (John 15:14). The apostle Paul says, “Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.” (1 Corinthians 6:10).



You did not address what I said with Scripture using the context. Yes, you replied, but it was not a biblical refutation that I was asking for. Just a comment with no reference to the context of Matthew 7 is not a real biblical reply. Demanding a biblical response is not appalling. The forums are for Christians, and Christians use the Bible.

I asked you which Apostles in the show said "creepy John". And instead of giving a straightforward answer, you go into your usual smoke and mirrors sanctimonious condescension routine. You're letting hubris get the better of you.

 

[Aldebaran]

First, you are defending a fable or imagination of a man. So you are trying to defend an illusion, which is silly.

Second, Matthew 11:18-19 is said by those who trying to falsely accuse both Jesus and John the Baptist. The words “creepy John” are not said by any disciple in the Bible. Trying to speculate as to whether it is plausible is a fool’s errand. There is nowhere any of the Apostles bad mouthed him or thought he was creepy. Nor does Scripture imply he was creepy. Jesus was not a friend of sinners anymore than He was a winebibber. Jesus says, “Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.” (John 15:14). The apostle Paul says, “Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.” (1 Corinthians 6:10).

I think the creators of the show wanted to make it as relatable to people as possible- people living in the 21st century. You may have noticed that the characters speak in 21st century English rather than the way they talked back in the biblical days. Think of it as a video version of the new living Bible rather than an exact word for word rendition. Also, much of the dialogue between the disciples was meant to show that they were ordinary people of the day who had disagreements with each other. There are times we see this in scripture as well, and the show was simply putting it into live action.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

The problem is you're not very good at that, which you've been told by many time after time.

How can you make such an assessment when you don’t reply with Scripture when specifically asked to?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

They're not elect disciples of Christ as evident in Matt 7:23. There's no way that Christ could have never known His elect disciples. "Know" in this case as in having an intimate relationship with, which Christ has with his bride. Christ never knew them, because they never knew him. You've heard of false Christians before.

These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. Matthew 15:8

Yes, I am referring to the fact that they are false believers but these false believers do not realize they are false believers. They are shocked to find out that they are not saved at the Judgment (Matthew 7:22-23). The reason they are not saved is because they worked iniquity. So the few who find eternal life in Matthew 7:14 are the real Christians who are saved and the rest of the many (who are not of the few) are false believers who are not saved. So this supports my point before about how the vast majority of Christian books, movies, etcetera are not done by the few.

 

[Ceallaigh]

How can you make such an assessment when you don’t reply with Scripture when specifically asked to?

I can say that because you give poor interpretations while acting sanctimonious and condescending towards others. And I replied with scripture ie Matthew 7:23. Like I said, you're not very good at this. I think you have a lot of growing and learning from others to do.

 

[timothyu]

Remember 50-55 yrs ago there was a scandal because of a portrait of a laughing Jesus.