Why was the Priesthood Changed?

[Carl Emerson]

They were not breaking the Sabbath .... it is not wrong to eat on the Sabbath.

They harvested before they ate. Not sure how you can eat without first picking...

 

[eleos1954]

And how are people saved under the OLD COVENANT ?

Or we under the NEW COVENANT ,and is it in operation today ?

Your thoughts and would like a verse also ?

dan p

And how are people saved under the OLD COVENANT ?

From Adam and Eve people are saved the Same way through faith (believing) in the promises of God to come (Jesus)

There isn't two separate covenants ... the "new" covenant ... not as in brand new but rather the "old" covenant renewed.

It is a better convenient (not new) covenant because Jesus ratified the covenant with His blood on Calvary (for all, for all time).

Hebrews 8:6-9 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises. For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. Sacrificing of animals have no redeeming capabilities at all .... never did ... from Adam forward ... all were pointing to Messiah to come and all accepted that through faith.

It was ... and is ... impossible for man to keep perfect covenant with God .... only Jesus can .... mankind's failure to do so shows us our need for a savior and our need for complete reliance on God. Over and over throughout His word covenants are made with man .... and man breaks them every time. Even so, God keeps/kept all covenants and they are ALL fulfilled through Christ.

What the old covenant pointed to in type and shadows and symbols has been fulfilled, in reality, in Jesus.

In the new covenant, the law is now internalized (in the heart - not done away with), and through faith in Christ, the believer lives in obedience to the law, now written in the heart. The new covenant has been ratified, not with the blood of animals but with the blood of Jesus.

The ceremonial system was showing how the plan of salvation works ... that being through the savior to come (not the earthly system itself) .... it was and is an example of how that takes place ... through faith in Jesus. The sanctuary system was nailed to the cross (done away with) at the cross and Jesus became our High Priest .... earthly priests no longer needed, sacrifices not needed ... Jesus being the better sacrifice ... without fault.

The fault of the earthly system was that blood of animals have no redeeming quality whatsoever.

Hebrews 10:4-10 )It is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins. Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said: “Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but a body you prepared for me; with burnt offerings and sin offerings you were not pleased.

Jesus ministers from the sanctuary in heaven .... the real one .... the earthly sanctuary was to serve as an example of the heavenly ... and was in place until Jesus death and He became our High Priest ... no earthly priests needed .... no animal sacrifices needed.

Jesus died for ALL for ALL time ...

What Does the Bible Say About Jesus Died Once For All?

 

[eleos1954]

They harvested before they ate. Not sure how you can eat without first picking...

Harvesting entails gathering crops when they have matured .... in bulk ...most or the entire crop is reaped when it is ready.

If you pick some strawberries and eat a few that is NOT harvesting ... if you pick a bunch of them and sell them or trade them .... that is harvesting.

If a farmer goes out into his field of cantelopes and picks a couple to eat is that considered harvesting by the farmer? Of course not. Ask any farmer.

Surely the difference is clear.

The did not harvest .... they were hungry and ate some of what was there (and nothing wrong with that) .... they didn't harvest anything.

 

[eleos1954]

They harvested before they ate. Not sure how you can eat without first picking...

Harvesting is seasonal .... bringing in crops in bulk (to sell, trade and/or store) "Picking a few edible plants/fruit etc. and eating them is not harvesting" .... ask any farmer.

Come out of the Pharisee box .... lol. They were claiming the same thing .... and Jesus set them straight about the matter. There is nothing wrong with eating food on the Sabbath ... it's not harvesting.

 

[Carl Emerson]

If you pick some strawberries and eat a few that is NOT harvesting ... if you pick a bunch of them and sell them or trade them .... that is harvesting.

The religious leaders of the day - experts in the Law - thought it was...

 

[Diamond7]

13 of which no man gave attendance at the altar.

There is no altar, the temple has been torn down. The Rabbi now just explains the meaning of the sacrifices. Which they were supposed to be doing all along. God makes it very clear that the sacrifice or religious ceremony does not please Him if people do not understand the meaning and how they applies to our lives.

For example. They told to burn the fat out of the food. They were not supposed to eat the fat. The sons of one of the priests got in trouble for that. They were eating the fat before it got cooked out of the food. Now the doctors tell us that the fat in the meat clogs our arteries and is a leading cause of death. Do to coronary heart disease. Dr Ornish has done a lot of research on this. Diet and exercise cures a lot of different diseases.

Mcdonald's maybe a leading cause of death. Fast food is often criticized for being high in calories, unhealthy fats, sugars, sodium, and lacking in essential nutrients. Overconsumption of such foods has been linked to various health problems, including obesity, heart disease, type 2 diabetes, and other diet-related conditions.

 

[Diamond7]

Harvesting is seasonal .... bringing in crops in bulk (to sell, trade and/or store) "Picking a few edible plants/fruit etc. and eating them is not harvesting" .... ask any farmer.

This is the difference between being a food gather and a food producer. You have to harvest the plant before the seeds fall off and the wind distributes them. We are growing wild plants right now. Even when they are dead my wife will leave them alone until they have reseeded themselves.

Noah saved Eden and all the food in Eden on the ARK. The food we read about in the Bible. He saved a whole biodiverse ecosystem. The PhD Botanists at the universities in Jerusalem can tell us how the wild plants became cultivated. They do not write very many books though. They mostly publish in peer-reviewed journals.

 

[eleos1954]

How then do you account for Jesus saying this in Mathew 12 ???

1At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. His disciples were hungry and began to pick the heads of grain and eat them. 2When the Pharisees saw this, they said to Him, “Look, Your disciples are doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath.”

3Jesus replied, “Have you not read what David did when he and his companions were hungry? 4He entered the house of God, and he and his companions ate the consecrated bread, which was not lawful for them to eat, but only for the priests.

5Or haven’t you read in the Law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple break the Sabbath and yet are innocent? 6But I tell you that something greater than the temple is here.

7If only you had known the meaning of ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice,’ you would not have condemned the innocent. 8For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.”

Jesus Heals on the Sabbath
(Mark 3:1–6; Luke 6:6–11)

9Moving on from there, Jesus entered their synagogue, 10and a man with a withered hand was there. In order to accuse Jesus, they asked Him, “Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?”

11He replied, “If one of you has a sheep and it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will he not take hold of it and lift it out? 12How much more valuable is a man than a sheep! Therefore it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.”

13Then Jesus said to the man, “Stretch out your hand.” So he stretched it out, and it was restored to full use, just like the other. 14But the Pharisees went out and plotted how they might kill Jesus.

That's the point .... the Pharisees had made up their own rules about the Sabbath and attempting to hold Jesus and the disciples to THEIR rules. Jesus was correcting them on that.

It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath ... healing .. eating .. attending to a distressed animal .... doing good and things of necessity that need to be done is not breaking the Sabbath ... as Jesus pointed out to them ... and gave some examples.

Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath .... because He created it from the beginning as a day of rest for all of mankind ... the 7th day.

The priests were allowed to break the Sabbath and yet innocent because they were required to do priestly work.

We are to believe Jesus and His teachings .... not the teachings of man (in this case the Pharisees)

Mark 7:8

Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.”

Matthew 15:9

‘But in vain do they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.’”

 

[eleos1954]

The religious leaders of the day - experts in the Law - thought it was...

Yes, and they were wrong .... that's why Jesus corrected them.

 

[Carl Emerson]

The priests were allowed to break the Sabbath and yet innocent because they were required to do priestly work.

Same applies to Jesus and to us...

9 But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God’s own possession, to proclaim the virtues of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvellous light.

 

[Studyman]

There is no altar, the temple has been torn down. The Rabbi now just explains the meaning of the sacrifices. Which they were supposed to be doing all along. God makes it very clear that the sacrifice or religious ceremony does not please Him if people do not understand the meaning and how they applies to our lives.

For example. They told to burn the fat out of the food. They were not supposed to eat the fat. The sons of one of the priests got in trouble for that. They were eating the fat before it got cooked out of the food. Now the doctors tell us that the fat in the meat clogs our arteries and is a leading cause of death. Do to coronary heart disease. Dr Ornish has done a lot of research on this. Diet and exercise cures a lot of different diseases.

Mcdonald's maybe a leading cause of death. Fast food is often criticized for being high in calories, unhealthy fats, sugars, sodium, and lacking in essential nutrients. Overconsumption of such foods has been linked to various health problems, including obesity, heart disease, type 2 diabetes, and other diet-related conditions.

The Hebrews author was speaking about who was chosen in Moses Time, to administer before God in the Priest's Office. Judah was not mentioned, only Levi. That is the purpose of the teaching I quoted.

 

[Dan Perez]

For me, it's about what is actually written, especially given the warnings of the Christ of the Bible regarding "many" deceivers who come in Christ's Name. For instance, in God's promise of a New Covenant, there is nowhere that HE mentions or even implies that His Laws are abolished or removed in the New Covenant. It's the exact opposite if you actually read what He said. Yes, there are "many" who come in Christ's Name that preach they are abolished, and they have convinced "many" of the same thing. But the God who created His New Covenant, should be the one, in my view, to define it. And His People will listen to HIM, and not the "other voice" in the Garden. I hope you might consider questioning and "Testing" the spirits of those "many" voices in this world God placed us in, that the Jesus of the Bible warned about.

Regarding the place in the New Testament that says the "LAW" Changed, I will post what is actually written, and am free and eager to discuss this with you as well, if you are interested.

Heb. 7: 5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive "the office of the priesthood", have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:

6 But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.

So who received Tithes of Abraham? Levite Priests? Or Melchizedek?

11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

12 For the "priesthood being changed", there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

So then, what was the change? The 10 Commandments God gave Moses, abolished? Love the Lord your God with all your might, anothe Law God gave Moses? Love your neighbor as yourself, another Law God gave Moses, and "ALL" that hangs on these two Greatest Commandments that God gave Moses?

Why don't we continue reading and let the Hebrews author tell us exactly what LAW was changed.

13 For he of whom these things are spoken (Jesus, of the Bible) pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.

14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

So then, doesn't the Bible explain exactly what LAW was affected, which was the LAW regarding who could receive the Priesthood? And given the Christ was from the tribe of Judah, and not Levi, it facilitated by necessity, as change in the LAW regarding who could become God's Priest.

Was this "Change" not prophesied about in the Law and Prophets? "The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek."

Micah 5: 2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

Didn't the Faithful know of, and were waiting for this same Christ's arrival?

Luke 1: 5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth. 6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

67 And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying, 68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people, 69 And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David; (From the Tribe of Judah)

It's a fascinating study and there are lots more scriptures foretelling of the coming New Priesthood Covenant, brought about because Levi corrupted the Priesthood Covenant God gave him. (Mal. 2)

Regarding your statement, "we are no longer under the Law of Moses". Wasn't it only those who rejected God's Law that were "under the law"? And didn't Jesus say to "Repent" from rejecting God's Law, and if we did, HE would erase the sins we committed? But if I continue to reject God's Laws, do I not bring myself back under the law, that being dead in which I was held? Consider what Paul actually teaches here.

Rom. 6: 15 What then? shall we sin, (Transgress God's Law) because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. That means NO!, Yes? Why would Paul say this?

16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Yes, there are "many" who come in Christ's name who teach that Jesus came to destroy God's Laws and replace them with His Own.

But the Jesus of the Bible, said not to Even "THINK" such a thing.

Matt. 5: 17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Something to think about.

Jesus did came to FULFIL , but they KILLED HIM and Israel has been SET ASIDE as Acts 28:26, 27 , 28 and Isa 6:1-13 says , and there many other verses that say the same hing >

dan p

 

[eleos1954]

Same applies to Jesus and to us...

9 But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God’s own possession, to proclaim the virtues of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvellous light.

The Royal Priesthood is a metaphor for building up and maintaining our spiritual temple.

 

[Aaron112]

Some of the benefits I've experienced from the carnivore diet, and living in line with and in harmony with all God's Word.

Freedom from disease overall. Freedom from diabetes and blood sugar ills. Freedom from heart disease. Freedom from obesity. Freedom from lethargy. and so on thru many things....

Information widely available online and in accurate honest books if you can find one.

footnote: some of the fat of animals is not good to eat. Other fat is not only good to eat, it is necessary for most people in order to have good digestion and healthy metabolism.

 

[Studyman]

Jesus did came to FULFIL ,

Yes, not to destroy.

but they KILLED HIM and Israel has been SET ASIDE as Acts 28:26, 27 , 28

Acts 28: 26 Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive: 27 For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them. 28 Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it.

Same Salvation that was sent to Israel.

It's important to hear and believe ALL that is written, Paul says Rom. 11:

19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in. 20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: 21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

22Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?

and Isa 6:1-13 says , and there many other verses that say the same hing >

dan p

IS. 45: 17 But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.

18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

19 I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth: I said not unto the seed of Jacob, Seek ye me in vain: I the LORD speak righteousness, I declare things that are right.

20 Assemble yourselves and come; draw near together, ye that are escaped of the nations: they have no knowledge that set up the wood of their graven image, and pray unto a god that cannot save.

21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.

22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Some of the benefits I've experienced from the carnivore diet, and living in line with and in harmony with all God's Word.

The tricky part is that although there is a growing awareness of the benefits of eating less meat, Romans 14 forbids us from causing a brother or sister to be judged about it.

 

[Aaron112]

The tricky part is that although there is a growing awareness of the benefits of eating less meat, Romans 14 forbids us from causing a brother or sister to be judged about it.

Actually for over ten years now the evidence is growing of the benefits of the carnivore diet - beef with the good fat, no pork.

 

[Studyman]

The tricky part is that although there is a growing awareness of the benefits of eating less meat, Romans 14 forbids us from causing a brother or sister to be judged about it.

Rom. 14:
14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself:

This is of course true. A maggot or swine or snail didn't make itself unclean for food. They were created by God for a purpose, but some things that were created was not created for men to eat. Paul, whose faith was great, knew and understood this by the Teaching of the Lord's Christ regarding how disobedience and lust for evil things comes from within, not from without. And of course, if God Esteemed something was clean, or unclean, Paul esteemed it the same way as God. Just as if God Esteemed one day above another, then Paul also, in likeminded manner, submitted to God's Judgment, as opposed to his own.

but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.

But if the tradition of a man weak in faith, includes not eating something God created as clean because they believed it was unclean, Paul understood, to this man it was unclean.

A perfect example of this was the Jews religious tradition of not eating goat meat, if milk was on the table. Citing Ex. 23.

"19 The first of the firstfruits of thy land thou shalt bring into the house of the LORD thy God. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother's milk."

This morphed into a Jewish religious tradition even to this day, that teaches it's a sin to serve meat at the same table milk is served on. I once had quite a discussion with a Rabbi who didn't believe Jesus was the Messiah about this. I asked him about Abraham.

Gen. 18: 8 And he took butter, and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat.

He told me God's Laws all changed with Moses. I found that fascinating.

And it wasn't like the Rabbi was serving slugs or swine's flesh or something that was known to be esteemed by God as unclean. So there was no need to make a big deal about it. This is the kind of things Paul was speaking to, in my view.

15 But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.

16 Let not then your good be evil spoken of:

There are a lot more important things for a new believer to be concerned with. It would be wrong for me to serve both milk and meat at the same table with this man who is weak in faith. Even though there is no sin in serving the two.

17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but "righteousness", and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

But if the weak in the flesh's tradition was to eat meat that has been strangled, making it Biblically unclean, or if they were promoting that men should eat an animal or animal part, like Blood, that God has Esteemed "unclean", that is a different story.

If God's Commandment teaches not to commit adultery, and the man "weak in faith" is promoting fornication, Paul and the Apostles would tell them to abstain from such a behavior.

If they were eating Blood, or animals that were strangled, which kept the blood in them, making them unclean according to God? Paul and the Apostles would have told them to Abstain for such behavior. Because the Kingdom of God includes God's Righteousness, and Jesus said we should seek that first to show us what we shall eat, and drink.

Matt. 6: 31 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?

32 (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.

33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Paul and the Disciples understood this. They wouldn't be "weak in the faith" for long if they followed the instructions shown to them.

There are "many" who come in Christ's Name today, who teach Paul is advocating for the weak in faith to reject God's "Righteousness" by doing whatever they want, even what God has deemed is unrighteous. Mostly they use this chapter to justify their lust for eating unclean animals.

But that isn't what Paul is teaching those members of the Body of Christ who have become "Servants of God's Righteousness" as he teaches in Rom. 6.

It's simple enough to explain really. If strangling an animal, keeping the blood in it, makes the animal unclean according to God, to the point where Paul and the Disciples are telling new Gentile Converts (Weak in the faith) to "Abstain" from eating it. Then Paul would most certainly tell the New Convert Gentile who was eating slugs or swine's flesh, Unclean according to God, to "Abstain" for eating it as well.

Paul certainly placed a Judgment on those "weak in the faith" Gentiles partaking in unrighteousness in Acts 15. It doesn't make any sense that he would change his mind in Rom. 14.

 

[Carl Emerson]

So is Romans 14 not about teaching us not to judge each-other ?

 

[Aaron112]

They harvested before they ate. Not sure how you can eat without first picking...

I wondered for years about that also, without seeking an answer, not needing one, and then Yahweh provided the answer simply through a child of His: harvesting, which was prohibited on Shabbat, involved more than just picking a little to eat - it involved picking enough to have for later to eat, and included if not for one's self, picking to sell or trade....

You practically noted in your own post enough to start to see the difference - i.e. "They harvested" which is incorrect by definition, then "without first picking" ... which is correct, yet noting that picking is not harvesting.