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Christ is our Passover lamb and the lamb was literally eaten.

Mankind fell by eating – mankind lives by eating.

Eve ate the fruit and died – we eat the Lord’s Supper and live.

Mankind died by the fruit of a living tree – mankind lives by the fruit of a dead tree, the cross.

Hold tight, have faith, things are going to get worse before they get better.

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Anyone here going to order 'Mere Christendom' by Wilson? I'm interested.

FYI: Stone Choir podcast is interesting, they discuss Christian Nationalism from a different perspective, one I do not agree with. I'll leave you with that.
 
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^^^ all of my fav subjects in one video! Postmil, theonomy, etc.
I’ll need to watch this later.
 
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Pastor Wolfmueller offers a few criticisms worth noting and perhaps responding to. I'll try to offer a few notes by the end of the week but man, I've been busy since opening my karate club, stilling working fulltime besides that.

 
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This Pastor Wolfmueller mistakenly associates the death of Christ with accomplishing the destruction of the devil at the crucifixion. The Hebrews 2:14 text says that the death of Christ "annulled him" who had the power of death. This describes the end of Satan's ability to accuse the brethren when he was cast out of heaven at Christ's resurrection-day ascension (as in Revelation 12:10). That power to accuse the brethren was legally "annulled" in heaven on that day.

It's good that he does recognize the numbering of Revelation 7 & 14's selected 144,000 as having a "military" connotation, though. This numbering of 12 thousand from each of the mentioned tribes would have been recognized by any Jews as a reflection of when their nation was divided up into groups of a thousand fighting men for doing battle in the days of entering the land of Canaan. Similarly, the 144,000 First-fruits (who were the resurrected saints of Matthew 27:52-53) were going to serve as groups of thousands performing spiritual battle against a loosed Satan who had just had his millennial chain removed for a "short time" and a "little season" at Christ's ascension in AD 33 .

He also makes a good point that "nations" as a corporate entity cannot become baptized believers (you can't baptize a nation), but you can baptize individuals. He apparently thinks that Postmillennial thinking teaches that all world governments and civic organizations will become entirely Christian in their governing practices. This is not necessary for the gospel to "fill the whole earth" as the stone kingdom of Daniel 2 was going to do. The leaven of the kingdom is working incrementally to bring its effects in the entire world, but those effects do not produce a universal salvation of one and all. Perhaps some Postmillennial adherents teach this, but I don't think it is a universally-adopted idea.
 
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This Pastor Wolfmueller mistakenly associates the death of Christ with accomplishing the destruction of the devil at the crucifixion. The Hebrews 2:14 text says that the death of Christ "annulled him" who had the power of death. This describes the end of Satan's ability to accuse the brethren when he was cast out of heaven at Christ's resurrection-day ascension (as in Revelation 12:10). That power to accuse the brethren was legally "annulled" in heaven on that day.

It's good that he does recognize the numbering of Revelation 7 & 14's selected 144,000 as having a "military" connotation, though. This numbering of 12 thousand from each of the mentioned tribes would have been recognized by any Jews as a reflection of when their nation was divided up into groups of a thousand fighting men for doing battle in the days of entering the land of Canaan. Similarly, the 144,000 First-fruits (who were the resurrected saints of Matthew 27:52-53) were going to serve as groups of thousands performing spiritual battle against a loosed Satan who had just had his millennial chain removed for a "short time" and a "little season" at Christ's ascension in AD 33 .

He also makes a good point that "nations" as a corporate entity cannot become baptized believers (you can't baptize a nation), but you can baptize individuals. He apparently thinks that Postmillennial thinking teaches that all world governments and civic organizations will become entirely Christian in their governing practices. This is not necessary for the gospel to "fill the whole earth" as the stone kingdom of Daniel 2 was going to do. The leaven of the kingdom is working incrementally to bring its effects in the entire world, but those effects do not produce a universal salvation of one and all. Perhaps some Postmillennial adherents teach this, but I don't think it is a universally-adopted idea.
That was fast! Nice work.
 
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Anyone read Mere Christendom by Wilson yet? I would like to but shipping to Canada is twice as much as the book!
I don’t think it’s available yet. I’m waiting for the Kindle edition though.
 
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I don’t think it’s available yet. I’m waiting for the Kindle edition though.
I wish I could read ebooks. I just can't retain the information in ebook format but that is probably the best option.
 
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Chilton at the end of his life was a controversial man but his life's work should not be in question. If you can read his work and not be Postmil after I would be astonished.


 
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All of the messages so far have been, good but I particularly like this one.
Listening now..it is good. I believer we are in the early church still...it's important to keep that perspective.
 
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Will there be a large scale conversion of the Jews? Still wresting with this.


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I think there will a large-scale conversion of all peoples eventually. I can’t see a reason that Jews would be excluded.
 
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