Are Jews still God's Chosen People ?

[Guojing]

Yet you speak of these things spoken to David as though It belongs to the covenant made with Israel. Christ, inherited David's throne.

The gospel of the kingdom was for Israel, so I have no idea why you are objecting to this point.

Wasn't David the King of Israel at 2 Samuel 7, and isn't the House of Jacob Israel as well in Luke 1:32-33?

 

[ralliann]

The gospel of the kingdom was for Israel,

No, it was to all men.

so I have no idea why you are objecting to this point.

Because scripture says otherwise. It is not just Israel that are Abraham's seed. It matters not whether we are Jacob's natural seed.

Wasn't David the King of Israel at 2 Samuel 7, and isn't the House of Jacob Israel as well in Luke 1:32-33?

Maybe this will help.
1 ¶ And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect. {perfect: or, upright, or, sincere }
2 And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly.
3 And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying,
4 ¶ As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations. {many … : Heb. multitude of nations }
5 Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee. {Abraham: that is, Father of a great multitude }
6 And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee.
7 ¶ And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.

A father of many nations right? Not just one nation. This covenant is the everlasting covenant to Israel, as well as the nations.
It is even clearer here
Rom 4:9 ¶ Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.
10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.

The covenant was made with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Not just Isaac, not just Jacob.
But the covenant made with Israel as a nation was not made with the fathers.

Deut 5:2 The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.
3 The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.
4 The LORD talked with you face to face in the mount out of the midst of the fire,

 

[Guojing]

No, it was to all men.

Matthew 10:5-7 and Matthew 15:24.

Jesus and the 12 were urging the nation of Israel to believe the good news/gospel, that their promised King, the Son of David has arrived in the flesh.

The gentiles are to be saved thru the rise of Israel, after the nation accept Jesus as their Messiah (Zechariah 8:23).

23 Thus saith the Lord of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you.

Only in that last part then you can say "it was to all men".

 

[ralliann]

Matthew 10:5-7 and Matthew 15:24.

Jesus and the 12 were urging the nation of Israel to believe the good news/gospel, that their promised King, the Son of David has arrived in the flesh.

The gentiles are to be saved thru the rise of Israel, after the nation accept Jesus as their Messiah (Zechariah 8:23).

23 Thus saith the Lord of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you.

Only in that last part then you can say "it was to all men".

Paul was an apostle to the Gentiles. The promises to Abraham, and Paul's clear teaching on that.

 

[Guojing]

Paul was an apostle to the Gentiles. The promises to Abraham, and Paul's clear teaching on that.

And when was Paul saved?

 

[ralliann]

And when was Paul saved?

I think it was before Cornelius
Act 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.

 

[Guojing]

I think it was before Cornelius
Act 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.

The point I was making is that it took place after Acts 7.

The post you replied to was during Jesus's earthly ministry, in time past.

 

[Wayne Gabler]

Are Jews still God's Chosen People ?

Do you mean more special than any of the other children of Adam and Eve?
Ge:3:15 is quite an important verse. Jesus was the 'seed of Eve', the group Mary belonged to started with Abraham's son. From Adam to Abraham is where the OT Saints that are resurrected with Jesus come from. They ascended to the Re:4 Temple and are serving as the 24 Elders in Re:5. Re:12 is an expansion on that verse. Eve is the 1st woman, Mary the mother of Jesus is the 2nd woman, Mary of Bethany represents the last woman based on believers being 'her Christian followers'.
The 12 stars represent 12 OT Saints from that earliest time. They are in the same form Jesus was when He asked Mary M. not to touch Him. They will get a glorified body when they and all the people Re:20:4 represents visit the Eze:47 tree of life scene. They will pass on what they are now learning so that the group will not be sent to the fiery lake with sinful immortals.
12 stars become 24 people because the wives of those 12 men will be with them, in an unmarried condition, so they do not have any children. That is for the flock in Isa:65 when they make their homes outside of New Jerusalem.

Ever read the parable of 'the penny'. The group gathered at the end would seem to who 'God's people are:
M't:20:1-2:
For the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder,
which went out early in the morning to hire labourers into his vineyard.
And when he had agreed with the labourers for a penny a day,
he sent them into his vineyard.
.
.
M't:20:9-15:
And when they came that were hired about the eleventh hour,
they received every man a penny.
But when the first came,
they supposed that they should have received more;
and they likewise received every man a penny.
And when they had received it,
they murmured against the goodman of the house,
Saying,
These last have wrought but one hour,
and thou hast made them equal unto us,
which have borne the burden and heat of the day.
But he answered one of them,
and said,
Friend,
I do thee no wrong:
didst not thou agree with me for a penny?
Take that thine is,
and go thy way:
I will give unto this last,
even as unto thee.
Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own?
Is thine eye evil,
because I am good?

That could apply to Zec:14 as the Gentile Church is alive at the same time the !2 Tribes are. The 12 Tribes are whole, while the Church is a small segment of 'all Gentiles'. The Re:20:4 group could say that about the Re:20:5 group except in the new earth era they are the flock the shepherds in order for the shepherds to grow in wisdom, while the flock grows in numbers as well as wisdom that gets passed down to them from the people who will call new Jerusalem home.

 

[Doug Brents]

Are Jews still God's Chosen People ?

The JEWS are not, and never were, God’s chosen people (the Jews were a small part of the nation of Israel who lived in the Promised Land during the time of Jesus). ISRAEL is God’s chosen people.

The People “Israel” is God’s chosen people still today, but today not all of the descendants of Jacob are Israel, and not all of Israel are descendants of Jacob. (I am not addressing the proselytes who were not descendants of Jacob but became part of Israel in the OT.)

All those who were descendants of Jacob who did not believe that Jesus was the Messiah were cut off from being “Israel” and those who were not descendants of Jacob who did believe that Jesus is the Messiah are made “Israel” by being grafted in and made coheirs of the promise made to Abraham (Rom 8:15-17 & Rom 11).

 

[Jesus is YHWH]

Are Jews still God's Chosen People ?

The short answer is yes and Paul makes that very case in Romans chapters 9-11.

Romans 11
I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God did not reject his people, whom he foreknew.

I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26 and in this way[e] all Israel will be saved. As it is written:

“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27 And this is[f] my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”[g]

28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29 for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable. 30 Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31 so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now[h] receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you. 32 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

 

[Clare73]

The short answer is yes and Paul makes that very case in Romans chapters 9-11.

Romans 11
I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God did not reject his people, whom he foreknew.

I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26 and in this way[e] all Israel will be saved. As it is written:

“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27 And this is[f] my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”[g]

28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29 for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable. 30 Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31 so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now[h] receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you. 32 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

God's irrevocable gifts and call to the Jews are being fulfilled in a remnant only (Ro 11:5), just as only a remnant of the Gentiles are being saved.

The Jews are now on the same footing as all mankind; i.e., salvation is only by faith in and trust on the person and atoning work (blood, Ro 3:25) of Jesus Christ.

 

[ralliann]

The point I was making is that it took place after Acts 7.

The post you replied to was during Jesus's earthly ministry, in time past.

What is the relevance of before or after acts 7?

 

[Guojing]

What is the relevance of before or after acts 7?

The post you replied to was during Jesus's earthly ministry, in time past, as I stated. Gentiles were still cut off then (Ephesians 2:11-12)

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Are Jews still God's Chosen People ?

In Christ, there is no longer Jew or Gentile. Have you not read this in the bible?

 

[Wayne Gabler]

This is about the Gentile Church in the day He pours out the 7 vials:
Zec:13:8-9:
And it shall come to pass,
that in all the land,
saith the LORD,
two parts therein shall be cut off and die;
but the third shall be left therein.
And I will bring the third part through the fire,
and will refine them as silver is refined,
and will try them as gold is tried:
they shall call on my name,
and I will hear them:
I will say,
It is my people:
and they shall say,
The LORD is my God.

This is about the 12 Tribes:
Eze:37:11-13:
Then he said unto me,
Son of man,
these bones are the whole house of Israel:
behold,
they say,
Our bones are dried,
and our hope is lost:
we are cut off for our parts.
Therefore prophesy and say unto them,
Thus saith the Lord GOD;
Behold,
O my people,
I will open your graves,
and cause you to come up out of your graves,
and bring you into the land of Israel.
And ye shall know that I am the LORD,
when I have opened your graves,
O my people,
and brought you up out of your graves,
Eze:37:23:
Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols,
nor with their detestable things,
nor with any of their transgressions:
but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces,
wherein they have sinned,
and will cleanse them:
so shall they be my people,
and I will be their God.

Since Adam and Eve and all their children are covered by Re:20:4-5 it would seem that is who God's people are when it is all said and done.

 

[Aaron112]

In Christ, there is no longer Jew or Gentile. Have you not read this in the bible?

It is likely that nine out of ten people have never opened a Bible.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

It is likely that nine out of ten people have never opened a Bible.

This is a Christian forum, and we're in a theology section. I fail to see the relevance of this statement.

 

[Aaron112]

This is a Christian forum, and we're in a theology section. I fail to see the relevance of this statement.

I've lost count of the times I've read or heard that perhaps only five percent who claim something are truly something. Most of the world of Christendom never open a Bible, so is that more relevant to help you ?
Or, in the first century, when believers were the most faithful and truthful, having a copy of Torah or the Scriptures for ones self was unheard of .... it was read on Sabbath and both Jews and gentiles could and did gather to hear Scripture and for fellowship, etc...

 

[Gregory Thompson]

I've lost count of the times I've read or heard that perhaps only five percent who claim something are truly something. Most of the world of Christendom never open a Bible, so is that more relevant to help you ?
Or, in the first century, when believers were the most faithful and truthful, having a copy of Torah or the Scriptures for ones self was unheard of .... it was read on Sabbath and both Jews and gentiles could and did gather to hear Scripture and for fellowship, etc...

Sounds like off topic chatter. Perhaps start a thread, "Are church goers God's Chosen people" and see how that works out.

 

[Aaron112]

Have you not read this in the bible?

Off topic? Most people have not ...

Jews are God's Chosen People. They are chosen by Him and this is noted in His Word.

Have you not read this in the Bible ?