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I've made a change. I did have comments on the timing of when the rapture will occur from 2 thess 2:1-7. But removed it when I thought that perhaps you prefer to discuss about something else or in another way.

I don't know what to say or how to respond. I'm not very good with communicating with others on an online message board. I don't know how to convey my thoughts and opinions very well. Does that make sense? I apologize for the delay in response to your post. I just didn't know what to say or how to respond to what you had written. I'm really here to learn.
 
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This comment made rethink my post
It doesnt state I believe in pretrib-preservation of seed.
Which I do.
For Christians. Virgins to lies and corruption, to false religion, in fact perhaps virgins in every application of the word.

My post perhaps didnt accurately state this.
As no seed would be saved without the rapture.

I am moreso asking questions than stating fact
or quoting others.
To have eternal life seed must be preserved.

I'm sorry but I don't understand what you're talking about when you speak of seed.
 
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I don't know what to say or how to respond. I'm not very good with communicating with others on an online message board. I don't know how to convey my thoughts and opinions very well. Does that make sense? I apologize for the delay in response to your post. I just didn't know what to say or how to respond to what you had written. I'm really here to learn.
Perhaps if you still would like to discuss, you could begin. Write what you know and we can go from there. If you prefer not to, that's fine as well.

God bless.
 
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Does anyone have a link for a timeline of endtimes events? I.e. unfulfilled prophecy and things that must come to pass before the Lords return?
Eph 1:4, eph 2:10.... Both are in the books written before time and sealed
 
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This is Pre-trib rapture safehouse.

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I believe in the rapture but Matt 24 is the 2nd coming verse not rapture.verse.

But Bro in Christ is not denying the pre-trib rapture. He is just saying that one particular passage is not about it, and I think he is right about that.
 
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Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables


are you allowed to post scripture in this thread?
 
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Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables


are you allowed to post scripture in this thread?

The only thing you are not allowed to do (other than standard rules) is to attack the doctrine of the pre-tribulation rapture.
 
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It seems like this comment is a response to this comment:



But Bro in Christ is not denying the pre-trib rapture. He is just saying that one particular passage is not about it, and I think he is right about that.

No, my comment was to another comment that has since been removed. That comment attacked the doctrine of pre-tribulation rapture viciously. There are enough threads attacking.
 
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No, my comment was to another comment that has since been removed. That domment attacked the doctrine of pre-tribulation rapture viciously. There are enough threads attacking.
OK

But there has been very little discussion in this area lately, So I will throw this out for discussion, not for debate, for I am not even taking a stand, just observing on a possibility.

We read in 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4, "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God."

The Greek word translated falling away in this passage is apostasia. Some pre-tribbers insist that the Greek word apostasia in this passage is a reference to the rapture. This is not because they are failing to check the Greek. It is because they are checking the Greek more completely than others. I still feel that this is incorrect, but here are the real and complete facts from the Greek.

The basic meaning of the Greek word apostisia is most definitely departure. But it does not necessarily mean a departure from the faith. The departure can be from the faith or from something else.

Checking the use of this Greek word in the Bible is not much help, because it is used only one other time in the entire Bible. That place is Acts 21:21, where apostasia is used in regard to a departure from the ways of Moses.

The word itself is derived from the Greek word apistison, (word number 647 in Strong's Greek Dictionary) which is used in three times scripture, but only of divorce. This is in Matthew 5:31, Matthew 19:7, and Mark 10:4.

This second word in turn is derived from the Greek word aphistemi. (word number 868 in Strong's Greek dictionary)
This word is used 15 times in scripture. Of these 15 times, it is used only 3 times in regard to departing from the faith. These three times are Luke 8:13, 1 Timothy 4:1, and Hebrews 3:12. It is also used 2 times in regard to departure from a place. These are Luke 2:7 and Luke 4:13. And it is used 8 times in regard to departing from people. These are Luke 13:27, Acts 5:37, Acts 5:38, Acts 12:10, Acts 19:9, Acts 22:29, 2 Corinthians 12:8, and 1 Timothy 6:5. And it is used 2 times in regard to departure from activity. These are Acts 15:38 and 2 Timothy 2:19.

Outside of scripture, in the ancient Greek literature, the word apostasia is used of a departure from a place or a nation.

The famous Greek historian Herodotus said the nation of Ethiopia once lived along the upper reaches of the Euphrates river, which would put them in what is now called Turkey. But their numbers became so large that they were overcrowded in that location, so about half of them moved to the upper reaches of the Nile river, which is where they still remain. Thereafter in his account he called those who had moved the apostate Ethiopians.

In conclusion, it is my opinion that it is by no means certain that Paul (actually, the Holy Spirit speaking through Paul) meant a departure from the faith. I believe that is what he meant, but this simply cannot be proved. So I conclude that it is possible, but unlikely, that the word apostasia, that is, departure, in this passage is a reference to the rapture.

If that is correct, then this scripture explicitly teaches the pre-tribulation rapture.
 
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Not that I'm denying or disagreeing with what bible writer says ... But keep in mind that Tim says in the last days men will depart from the faith giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils....so some form of departure of the faith does indeed take place in the future....perhaps in a grand scale...but I believe in pretrib...just saying that people will fall away from the faith....
 
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In 1 thes 4:13-18 ... God does not want us to be ignorant of concerning those who have fallen asleep then it finnishes with God calling us up to Him you can read rev 4-5 to see where we go....then rev 19:14 which connects to eph 5:25-27

Then in 1 thes 5:1-2 we need not worry because the rapture happens before the day of the Lord

2 thes 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the presence coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, even our gathering together upto him,

1 thes 4:13-18, 1 cor 15:51-54 mystery

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of LORD is at hand.

Isa 13:6 2 peter 3:10

2 thes 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a departure from earth first, and that man of lawlessness be revealed, the son of perdition;

2 thes 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only HOLY SPIRIT who now letteth [will let], until HOLY SPIRIT be taken out of the way.

what changed ...
the church has been taken home! Jn 14:17,26,john 15:26, john 16:33 Rev 4:6

1 peter 1:7,9,13, Matt 24:36,dan 8:13
 
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