LDS Why mormons believe angels are less than gods?

[mmksparbud]

Just FYI. Latter-day Saints do not believe that Jesus, nor any of us were created out of nothing at some point in time. We believe that there was something (commonly referred to as an "intelligence") of each of us that has always existed. We do believe in a process of creation "ex-materia" in which spirit and body were added to us, but the raw material of spirit and body preexisted their becoming part of each of us.

I hope this helps...

Yah---I know that. Y0u also say that God the Father and his wives produced us as spiritual children---inelegancies--that existed before we were born---blasphemous baloney, but you are free to believe whatever you want.

 

[He is the way]

You guys ask the most crazy, absurd questions!!



The Catholics have this to say also:

Creation Ex Nihilo is in the Bible| National Catholic Register (ncregister.com)

These verses have been posted many times, and more, but you guys reject them for what JS and BY have to say:

Psa 33:6 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.
By His word, indicating not from anything existing
Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Rom 4:17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.

The Bible has this to say:

(Old Testament | Psalms 90:2)

2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.

 

[He is the way]

Yah---I know that. Y0u also say that God the Father and his wives produced us as spiritual children---inelegancies--that existed before we were born---blasphemous baloney, but you are free to believe whatever you want.

Our doctrine does NOT say God has more that one wife. That being said we know the Bible states that God the Father is the Father of spirits. We are ALL children of the Most High. We believe in the God of the Bible.

 

[mmksparbud]

Our doctrine does NOT say God has more that one wife. That being said we know the Bible states that God the Father is the Father of spirits. We are ALL children of the Most High. We believe in the God of the Bible.

You believe in the God of JS---who has a Father who has a father who has a father.......who was human, Who died at one time for the sins of others who became a God of this world. We are not all spirit children of God and his wife, we did not exist before being born. None of which is found in the bible---no we do not serve the same God.

 

[mmksparbud]

The Bible has this to say:

(Old Testament | Psalms 90:2)

2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.

Does not mean He created from existing matter. He spoke it into existencence, it was void and without form---He then formed it.
Psa 33:6 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.
Your god can not create from nothing, our God speaks worlds into existence from nothing. Our God is the God of the whole universe, not just of this planet. Our God has no father, nor does He have any wife. He created Lucifer and all the angels---none of whom have ever become human.

 

[He is the way]

Does not mean He created from existing matter. He spoke it into existencence, it was void and without form---He then formed it.
Psa 33:6 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.
Your god can not create from nothing, our God speaks worlds into existence from nothing. Our God is the God of the whole universe, not just of this planet. Our God has no father, nor does He have any wife. He created Lucifer and all the angels---none of whom have ever become human.

You said: "Your god can not create from nothing"

God did not create the universe from nothing, neither did God come from nothing. God has always existed as something, because God is something. If the universe was nothing it would still be nothing. Common sense.

 

[mmksparbud]

You said: "Your god can not create from nothing"

God did not create the universe from nothing, neither did God come from nothing. God has always existed as something, because God is something. If the universe was nothing it would still be nothing. Common sense.

Again with the same nonsense statement. How foolish it is you can not seem to see. You've made the same silly statement sooo many times---It's difficult to reply to it in polite terminology. If you walk into a room full of pottery, and the potter is in the room you do not count the potter as part of the pottery. Common sense.

 

[He is the way]

Again with the same nonsense statement. How foolish it is you can not seem to see. You've made the same silly statement sooo many times---It's difficult to reply to it in polite terminology. If you walk into a room full of pottery, and the potter is in the room you do not count the potter as part of the pottery. Common sense.

If the potter is in the room the room is not empty.

 

[mmksparbud]

If the potter is in the room the room is not empty.

NO IT'S NOT---BECAUSE THERE IS POTTERY THERE!! --DUH! I NEVER SAID THE ROOM WAS EMPTY!!!! I SAID A ROOM FULL 0F POTTERY---BUT HE IS NOT COUNTED AS POTTERY.

 

[Peter1000]

LOL!! How you do twist words---godliness does not equal being GOD!! I know you twist that where ever you can, we are to emulate God's character--that is godliness. It doesn't mean we will become equal to God, having His power. That is what drives Mormonism----the mad lust for POWER! It is what drove JS and BY, it just is sooo appealing to men, that they can have the Power of God, with untold number of wives---lust for power and women---you are all in for a real let down. Jeszus gave us the example to follow---HE NEVER BECAME GOD---HE WAS GOD FROM THE BEGINNING, HE WAS GOD BEFORE HE WAS HUMAN!!! We never were Gods, and will never become Gods===we can be godlike in character. If that is not good enough for you----you will end up with nothing!

You say Jesus is God, well, if we overcome the world as he did, we are going to be just like him, so we will be Gods too, with the same powers that he has because we will inherit those same qualities from God, our Father.
Remember
Romans 8:17 King James Version (KJV)
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

Notice bolded. heirs of God, joint-hears with Christ. All that Christ receives, we will receive, even his divinity, unless the bible says, "joint-heirs with Christ except for his divinity". Find that in the bible.

 

[Peter1000]

Reminds me of your hymn to Joseph Smith, "Praise to the man", particularly this part:

"Great is his glory and endless his priesthood.

Ever and ever the keys he will hold.

Faithful and true, he will enter his kingdom,

Crowned in the midst of the prophets of old."

Hmmm...

You are going to get on us because we praise a man in our church.

Haven't you made certain men in your church saints, and don't many of your congregation pray to them, or have silver and gold medallions that they keep on their person so that saint will watch over them, and bless them? Can you even compare that type of worship to our praising a man for his contribution to our church.

Does the bible not tell us that we will be given glory and endless life? Of course it does, so if we sing that a man will or has great glory, read your bible, it says the same about you?

You mean the keys he recieved from Peter? Of course he will hold those keys forever. Just like Peter, and Russell Nelson today. However, I believe the earthly keys he received from Peter to preside over the growth and administraiton of the earthly church, will eventually be given back to Jesus, and new keys with greater authority will be given. Keys that will be given so that men will have power and authority directly from God Himself to preside over, and administer their own creations (or kingdom if you prefer). All to the glory of our Father in heaven, who will expand his glory and domains, as worthy men and women under His tutelage expand theirs.

 

[Peter1000]

NO IT'S NOT---BECAUSE THERE IS POTTERY THERE!! --DUH! I NEVER SAID THE ROOM WAS EMPTY!!!! I SAID A ROOM FULL 0F POTTERY---BUT HE IS NOT COUNTED AS POTTERY.

No, certainly God is not pottery, but he is a glorified Man, whose image and likeness we were created. And if we overcome the world as His Son did, and are resurrected in a perfect body, just like Jesus, we too will be glorified Men and Women, with the same glory as Jesus has, whose glory and brightness defy all description.

Continue to overcome this world and you too can sit with Jesus on his throne and be a glorified woman.

 

[Peter1000]

And all you guys want is your own planet, with a bunch of wives so you can populate your own little world and be the god of it.

Not sure how many wives it takes, but Yes, in unlearned verbiage, this is what we are hoping for.

 

[Peter1000]

You think Abraham wanted to be God?!! He expressed no such desire! There is one who did---his name was Lucifer, when he decided he wanted to be God---he was kicked out of heaven and his name became Lucifer. That is what happens to those who think they can become God. They will end up with h9im.

You left out a whole lot of the story about lucifer. Yes, he wanted to be God. He wanted to usurp the power of God. With this thought he rebelled against his Father and his God, and made war in heaven, and 1/3 of the angels in heaven followed him, because he was a master of argument and glorious in his appearance.

He lost the war, and because of all the things he did, he was thrown out of heaven, and became satan on earth.

We want to live with God and Jesus forever, and be just like them and do the things that They do, under Their watchful tutelage. This kind of thinking and belief is light-years different than lucifer's thoughts of taking the place of God.

 

[mmksparbud]

You say Jesus is God, well, if we overcome the world as he did, we are going to be just like him, so we will be Gods too, with the same powers that he has because we will inherit those same qualities from God, our Father.
Remember
Romans 8:17 King James Version (KJV)
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

Notice bolded. heirs of God, joint-hears with Christ. All that Christ receives, we will receive, even his divinity, unless the bible says, "joint-heirs with Christ except for his divinity". Find that in the bible.

We can not be "just like Him." He was God from the beginning, He created all things-=--We were not from everlasting of the Father, we have not created anything except children, which He gave us the ability to do. We can not raise ourselves from the dead. We were never Divine. WE ARE NOT JUST LIKE HIM!! WE CAN ATTAIN TO BE LIKE HIM IN character. That is what we are called to do. You mad lust for power and glory will get you nothing at all. WE ARE ADOPTED CHILODREN OF GOD--only as such are we granted anything. Natural born children need no adoption. CHRIST WAS NOT ADOPTED!! HE IS THE ONLY SON of God--we are brothers to Christ only through His humanity---we have NEVER SHARED HIS DIVINITY. If yo0u can not accept this---you will not be a part of His adopted family---and if you are not with Him---then you are against Him! You then have only the "other master that rules you and those will inherit what their master is given---eternal damnation and the 2nd death, from which there is no awakening!

 

[mmksparbud]

No, certainly God is not pottery, but he is a glorified Man, whose image and likeness we were created. And if we overcome the world as His Son did, and are resurrected in a perfect body, just like Jesus, we too will be glorified Men and Women, with the same glory as Jesus has, whose glory and brightness defy all description.

Continue to overcome this world and you too can sit with Jesus on his throne and be a glorified woman.

Which is not what the original statement is about---that Jesus created everything from nothing, and to say that God is something therefore He did not create from nothing is total bunk. Our God created from nothing---yours can't. I said in a room full of pottery, the Potter is not counted as a part of what He creates. HITW's statement, has always made no sense, and still doesn't.

 

[mmksparbud]

Not sure how many wives it takes, but Yes, in unlearned verbiage, this is what we are hoping for.

It will never happen, just as Lucifer's wish to be God will never happen, you and him will inherit the fate of his now new name, Satan. His inheritance will be hell fire which is the 2nd death, from which no one is awakened again. You're hopes for a world of lust, power and continuing circle of sin and death and attempted salvation will never be granted. It is not of God. He will forever eliminate sin after the judgement. It will not rise a 2nd time.

Nah_1:9 What do ye imagine against the LORD? he will make an utter end: affliction shall not rise up the second time.


to hope for a world in which there is sin, from which another savior is needed to die is not of God. And if not of God, it is of Satan. It is a blasphemous lie.

 

[mmksparbud]

You left out a whole lot of the story about lucifer. Yes, he wanted to be God. He wanted to usurp the power of God. With this thought he rebelled against his Father and his God, and made war in heaven, and 1/3 of the angels in heaven followed him, because he was a master of argument and glorious in his appearance.

He lost the war, and because of all the things he did, he was thrown out of heaven, and became satan on earth.

We want to live with God and Jesus forever, and be just like them and do the things that They do, under Their watchful tutelage. This kind of thinking and belief is light-years different than lucifer's thoughts of taking the place of God.

You can tell yourselves that. But the bottom line is you want to be the God's of your own world, where there is continued sin that another savior has to die to save. That is not of God. Delusions of power, and lust for a bunch of wives to repopulate your own world. It will never happen. That is strictly from the enemy and you have fallen for it. Satan is indeed very intelligent and sneaky---he has developed a sinister lie and you have fallen for it. You have accepted it, and you will meet his same fate---the 2nd death---which is eternal death (not eternal punishment)

 

[Peter1000]

You can tell yourselves that. But the bottom line is you want to be the God's of your own world, where there is continued sin that another savior has to die to save. That is not of God. Delusions of power, and lust for a bunch of wives to repopulate your own world. It will never happen. That is strictly from the enemy and you have fallen for it. Satan is indeed very intelligent and sneaky---he has developed a sinister lie and you have fallen for it. You have accepted it, and you will meet his same fate---the 2nd death---which is eternal death (not eternal punishment)

After this earth is changed and we live with God and Jesus, what do you think we do for ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever..................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................?
What will you be doing 10Billion years from now?

 

[Peter1000]

You can tell yourselves that. But the bottom line is you want to be the God's of your own world, where there is continued sin that another savior has to die to save. That is not of God. Delusions of power, and lust for a bunch of wives to repopulate your own world. It will never happen. That is strictly from the enemy and you have fallen for it. Satan is indeed very intelligent and sneaky---he has developed a sinister lie and you have fallen for it. You have accepted it, and you will meet his same fate---the 2nd death---which is eternal death (not eternal punishment)

What will you be doing 10Billion years from now?