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Why Did God Create People He Knew Would Go to Hell?
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God did not make Angels or humans "to show his wrath"
A parent that chooses to have children to "show their wrath" is not at all loving.
God made Lucifer - knowing he would one day fall. But not because of the way God made him.
God made the Angels - knowing that one day 1/3 of them would fall - "but not because of the way God made them"
God made Adam and Eve - knowing that one day they would fall -- but not because of the way God made them.
God made "the myriads and myriads" of beings in Dan 7:9-10 -- sinless unfallen beings - knowing they would never fall -- but not because God did not give them free will
Rom 9 says God works with great patience with everyone -- even with those that He knows will never accept His gift of eternal life freely offered to them.
1 John 2:2 Jesus willing sacrificed Himself to pay the debt of all sins in all of time for fallen humans making Himself "the atoning sacrifice for our sins and not for our sins only but for the sins of the WHOLE WORLD". God put a lot of skin in the game - even for the lost.
A parent that chooses to have children to "show their wrath" is not at all loving.
God made Lucifer - knowing he would one day fall. But not because of the way God made him.
God made the Angels - knowing that one day 1/3 of them would fall - "but not because of the way God made them"
God made Adam and Eve - knowing that one day they would fall -- but not because of the way God made them.
God made "the myriads and myriads" of beings in Dan 7:9-10 -- sinless unfallen beings - knowing they would never fall -- but not because God did not give them free will
Rom 9 says God works with great patience with everyone -- even with those that He knows will never accept His gift of eternal life freely offered to them.
1 John 2:2 Jesus willing sacrificed Himself to pay the debt of all sins in all of time for fallen humans making Himself "the atoning sacrifice for our sins and not for our sins only but for the sins of the WHOLE WORLD". God put a lot of skin in the game - even for the lost.
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God does whatever He wants, and everything He does is to His glory. He does not have to explain Himself to anyone, nor does He own anything to anyone.
All we do is constantly sin against God, yet in His mercy He judges no one, but calls us to His Son to repent. What an amazing love.
All we do is constantly sin against God, yet in His mercy He judges no one, but calls us to His Son to repent. What an amazing love.
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true but He sovereignly chose free will for the universe He made and sustains
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