Who were the 144,000

[jamiec]

IMHO, they were Jewish Christians in Jerusalem during the Jewish War of 66-73.

They are sealed

(1) as God’s own people
(2) because the Jews saved from destruction in Ezekiel 9.4 are sealed
(3) because the “mark of the beast” that people always talk about is a blasphemous parody, by the devil’s fake Messiah, of this Divine sealing
(4) and the seal may be the Cross, just as Ezekiel 9.4 refers to the (cross-shaped) letter Taw.

The number of 144,000 is clearly symbolic, like the other numbers in Rev. It seems to stand for a number that is both complete, and very large.

If this is correct, the “great crowd, that no man could number”, is to be understood of Gentiles.

 

[Diamond72]

The 144,000 may have been tasked with evangelizing the earth, but there is nothing in the text of Revelation that would suggest this.

The 144,000 represent 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes. They are pure because they have no gentile blood in them. The evidence for that today is the Cohan gene. People are "Jewish" based on their mother. Purity is difficult because of divorce, remarriage, adoption, affairs and so on. I do not know of any miracle in the Bible greater than the ability of God to keep 144,000 people pure onto Himself. The only people who are pure like that today are the Hasidic. The Bible says two witness. One is Christian and the other are the Hebrews. The Christians of course get the old testament from them. There is still some of the oral tradition that is not in our Hebrew Bible.

"A Stranger Among Us" is a 1992 crime drama film starring Melanie Griffith. In the movie, Griffith plays Detective Emily Eden, a tough New York cop who goes undercover in a Hasidic Jewish community to investigate a murder. The film provides a glimpse into the Hasidic way of life, highlighting their customs, traditions, and community dynamics.

It's an intriguing portrayal of a culture that many viewers might not be familiar with.

Hasidic marriages are deeply rooted in tradition and community values, encompassing meaningful rituals.
The process involves:

1. Matchmaking (Shidduch): Matches are often arranged by families and matchmakers, emphasizing shared values and compatibility.
2. Engagement (Vort): A formal announcement and celebration.
3. Wedding Day: Includes several rituals like the Bedeken (veiling of the bride) and the Chuppah (wedding canopy), symbolizing the couple’s new home.
4. Celebration: Concludes with joyous celebrations involving the entire community.

It’s a beautiful blend of spirituality, tradition, and community support.

 

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The 144,000 represent 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes. They are pure because they have no gentile blood in them. The evidence for that today is the Cohan gene. People are "Jewish" based on their mother. Purity is difficult because of divorce, remarriage, adoption, affairs and so on. I do not know of any miracle in the Bible greater than the ability of God to keep 144,000 people pure onto Himself. The only people who are pure like that today are the Hasidic. The Bible says two witness. One is Christian and the other are the Hebrews. The Christians of course get the old testament from them. There is still some of the oral tradition that is not in our Hebrew Bible.

"A Stranger Among Us" is a 1992 crime drama film starring Melanie Griffith. In the movie, Griffith plays Detective Emily Eden, a tough New York cop who goes undercover in a Hasidic Jewish community to investigate a murder. The film provides a glimpse into the Hasidic way of life, highlighting their customs, traditions, and community dynamics.

It's an intriguing portrayal of a culture that many viewers might not be familiar with.

Hasidic marriages are deeply rooted in tradition and community values, encompassing meaningful rituals.
The process involves:

1. Matchmaking (Shidduch): Matches are often arranged by families and matchmakers, emphasizing shared values and compatibility.
2. Engagement (Vort): A formal announcement and celebration.
3. Wedding Day: Includes several rituals like the Bedeken (veiling of the bride) and the Chuppah (wedding canopy), symbolizing the couple’s new home.
4. Celebration: Concludes with joyous celebrations involving the entire community.

It’s a beautiful blend of spirituality, tradition, and community support.

You might also find this interesting - Abby Stein - Wikipedia

 

[Diamond72]

You might also find this interesting

I saw the movie with Barbra Streisand.

 

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I saw the movie with Barbra Streisand.

What movie? I am unaware that a movie was made about Abby Stein.

 

[Diamond72]

What movie?

Barbra Streisand's film "Yentl". Released in 1983, the movie is based on Isaac Bashevis Singer's short story "Yentl the Yeshiva Boy." The story revolves around a Jewish woman in 1904 Poland who disguises herself as a man to pursue religious studies, which were forbidden for women at the time2.

Streisand not only directed and co-wrote the film but also starred in the lead role. The film blends elements of drama, romance, and musical genres, and it explores themes of gender, identity, and religious freedom.

I saw her play "Funny Girl" before she made it into a movie. She was an amazing singer. The best in her day.

 

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Barbra Streisand's film "Yentl". Released in 1983, the movie is based on Isaac Bashevis Singer's short story "Yentl the Yeshiva Boy." The story revolves around a Jewish woman in 1904 Poland who disguises herself as a man to pursue religious studies, which were forbidden for women at the time2.

Streisand not only directed and co-wrote the film but also starred in the lead role. The film blends elements of drama, romance, and musical genres, and it explores themes of gender, identity, and religious freedom.

I saw her play "Funny Girl" before she made it into a movie. She was an amazing singer. The best in her day.

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I thought that might be the movie you saw. However, it has nothing at all to do with Abby Stein.

 

[Diamond72]

it has nothing at all to do with Abby Stein.

They are both transgender rabbi. One is real, one is fiction.

 

[bbbbbbb]

They are both transgender rabbi. One is real, one is fiction.

That is pretty much the coincidences between the two rabbis. I see your point.

 

[Diamond72]

Or, part of the 144,000 celibate men?

That is what Rev 14:4 says !!

The Bible says virgins. This has two meanings. Their spiritual purity and the fact that they follow the law of God to maintain their priesthood. We see in the Christian church people believe a person can not be a pastor if they are divorced or marry a divorced women. The Bible says they need to be pure or a virgin when they get married. They need to set a right example for others. The Catholics do not allow their priests to marry.

In the movie "A Stranger Among Us" (1992), Ariel, a young Hasidic man, explains the marriage customs and beliefs of the Hasidic people to the character Emily Eden, played by Melanie Griffith. Ariel helps her understand various aspects of Hasidic life, including marriage customs, religious practices, and the community's values. Emily's interactions with Ariel and other community members provide insights into the Hasidic way of life, which is central to the film's narrative.

• Deuteronomy 22:13-21: This passage details the expectations of virginity for a bride and the consequences if she is found not to be a virgin.
• Leviticus 21:13-14: These verses specify that the high priest must marry a virgin.

 

[bbbbbbb]

The Bible says virgins. This has two meanings. Their spiritual purity and the fact that they follow the law of God to maintain their priesthood. We see in the Christian church people believe a person can not be a pastor if they are divorced or marry a divorced women. The Bible says they need to be pure or a virgin when they get married. They need to set a right example for others. The Catholics do not allow their priests to marry.

In the movie "A Stranger Among Us" (1992), Ariel, a young Hasidic man, explains the marriage customs and beliefs of the Hasidic people to the character Emily Eden, played by Melanie Griffith. Ariel helps her understand various aspects of Hasidic life, including marriage customs, religious practices, and the community's values. Emily's interactions with Ariel and other community members provide insights into the Hasidic way of life, which is central to the film's narrative.

• Deuteronomy 22:13-21: This passage details the expectations of virginity for a bride and the consequences if she is found not to be a virgin.
• Leviticus 21:13-14: These verses specify that the high priest must marry a virgin.

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Thank you!