WHO IS BABYLON/HARLOT IN REVELATION?

[Truth7t7]

John says now there is (present tense) two things: a pool and a fish market. Neither were there after 70ad.

How do you know the pool and fish market were gone after 70AD were you there, Big Smiles!

 

[Truth7t7]

John 2 proves a pre 70ad writitg. What biblical basis proves it does not.

John 5:2 doesn't prove anything regarding 70AD as you claim

 

[Manny clay]

How do you know the pool and fish market were gone after 70AD were you there, Big Smiles!

Josephus said that the city was such after the Romans were.done.with it that you could not tell.there had been a city there previously.

 

[Truth7t7]

Josephus said that the city was such after the Romans were.done.with it that you could not tell.there had been a city there previously.

"Josephus" AKA "Yosef ben Mattityahu" was a Jewish military leader and traitor to his people the Jews, he defected to Rome leaving his Jewish military position

Josephus was the propaganda writer for Romes Emperors, he was rewarded with palaces, wives, and lived amongst the royal court in Rome

Conclusion: Josephus was a Roman propagandist historian and a traitor to his people the Jews

 

[Manny clay]

What slavish love for Rome would cause him to lie about this? What would he gain? Don't you think Titus would know? Your assumption is irrational.

"Josephus" AKA "Yosef ben Mattityahu" was a Jewish military leader and traitor to his people the Jews, he defected to Rome leaving his Jewish military position

Josephus was the propaganda writer for Romes Emperors, he was rewarded with palaces, wives, and lived amongst the royal court in Rome

Conclusion: Josephus was a Roman propagandist historian and a traitor to his people the J

 

[Truth7t7]

What slavish love for Rome would cause him to lie about this? What would he gain? Don't you think Titus would know? Your assumption is irrational.

IMHO Josephus to the Roman Emperors was the same as Joseph Goebbels to Hitler, the propaganda minister, at least Goebbels didn't defect on his military position as Joseph's did as tye propagandist and traitor

 

[Manny clay]

IMHO Joseph's to the Roman Emperors was the same as Joseph Goebbels to Hitler, the propaganda minister, at least Goebbels didn't defect on his military position as Joseph's did as tye propagandist and traitor

So what credible eyewitness proof do you have that refutes the testimony of Josephus?

 

[Manny clay]

So what credible eyewitness proof do you have that refutes the testimony of Josephus?

 

[Manny clay]

So what credible eyewitness proof do you have that refutes the testimony of Josephus?

Will you reply or are you through?

 

[Manny clay]

There's more than one place that fits the description.

Look, you may not understand this but this which you just described is our model so we understand and see the whole mechanism.

But this particular picture occurs more than once in time, and in more than one place.. this is our model to see with clearer eyes.

I agree that mbtg is the great city is Jerusalem. Where can I find more info on this model you speak of?

 

[Truth7t7]

Will you reply or are you through?

Josephus was a traitor to his people the Jews, he was also an adulterer

Stick to Church Fathers and the Bible to get your point across

Thus saith Josephus, smiles

 

[Truth7t7]

There's more than one place that fits the description.

Look, you may not understand this but this which you just described is our model so we understand and see the whole mechanism.

But this particular picture occurs more than once in time, and in more than one place.. this is our model to see with clearer eyes.

Your speaking in riddles, please provide scripture to establish your claims?

 

[Truth7t7]

I was just going for some food for thought. People need to read Scripture and repent of their sins.

OK, what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

The subject in question is MBTG, not sin and repentance

 

[Manny clay]

No argument.

It's just in my head. I see it when I read Scripture. It's not something to argue about. .

If that is the limit of your knowledge, np. Thnx

I agree that mbtg is the great city is Jerusalem. Where can I find more info on this model you speak of?

Can you flesh out the details about the model appearing in more than one time and place?

 

[Manny clay]

Are there any partial preterists on this site?

 

[Truth7t7]

Are there any partial preterists on this site?

There are plenty of posters here that follow reformed "partial preterist" theology in 70AD fulfillment

 

[Manny clay]

Can you point me to one or two that are after truth.

 

[Truth7t7]

Can you point me to one or two that are after truth.

Preterism in 70AD fulfillment of Matthew chapter 24 is a false teaching, Daniels AOD and the great tribulation are future events unfulfilled

 

[Manny clay]

Preterism in 70AD fulfillment of Matthew chapter 24 is a false teaching, Daniels AOD and the great tribulation are future events unfulfilled

Look, I'm not here to argue. I asked you if you had credible eyewitness proof that refutes the testimony of Josephus. I heard crickets and then this:
Preterism in 70AD fulfillment of Matthew chapter 24 is a false teaching, Daniels AOD and the great tribulation are future events unfulfilled.
And then this:
Josephus was a traitor to his people the Jews, he was also an adulterer. Stick to Church Fathers and the Bible to get your point across

Where I come from you either rebut, refute, or wave the white flag. I don't need your advice. Which is it gonna be?