There is a resurrection of the dead: Jesus' proof by contradiction

[tonychanyt]

See There is a resurrection of the dead: Jesus' proof by contradiction

 

[BobRyan]

Matthew 22:


Let proposition R1 = there is resurrection.

The Sadducees do not believe in the resurrection. They believe ¬R1.


Yet, their question assumed the resurrection.

Were the Sadducees being sarcastic?

No they were doing what everyone does in a good debate they take the other side to show its error with an argument of the form "fine - let's take your claim of a future resurrection - we can show one easy example of how unworkable such a thing would be. So obvious everyone here will agree with us that your view has a problem"

No. In modern logic terminology, they attempted a proof by contradiction by assuming the negation or opposite of what they were trying to prove.

Assume R1.

Whose wife will she be, for they all had her?

According to their logic, there was no answer to this question. Therefore, the assumption R1 is false.

Exactly

Jesus believes R1.

Using proof by contradiction. Jesus assumed ¬R1.

But then, in Exodus 3:


The LORD is the God of Abraham.

Abraham is dead.

The LORD is the God of the dead = D1.

No Jesus' says in essence

1. We both agree that God is not the God of the dead
2. We both agree that God tells Moses He is the God of Abraham -- at a time when Abraham was dead
3. The only solution is that God is going to raise Abraham in the future and is calling those things that are not - as though they were

Both Christ and the Sadducees agreed to all three statements about God.

1, 2 they agree on completely
3 - the Sadducees and Christ both agree God can see the future and calls things in the future as though they are.

Even those watching this debate agreed that "Christ had put the Sadducees to silence" with His irrefutable "proof of future resurrection" - they could not answer it.

Matt 22:
29 But Jesus answered and said to them, “You are mistaken, since you do not understand the Scriptures nor the power of God. 30 For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven. 31 But regarding the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what was spoken to you by God: 32 ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? He is not the God of the dead, but of the living.” 33 When the crowds heard this, they were astonished at His teaching.

34 But when the Pharisees heard that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered together. 35 And one of them, a lawyer, asked Him a question, testing Him: 36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?”


As for Christ's view on "the dead" -- John 11 "Lazarus is dead" -- "Our friend Lazarus sleeps - I go that I may wake him"
And Paul would consider Abraham to be among the "dead in Christ" where "the dead in Christ rise first, then we who remain will be caught up together with them in the air" 1 Thess 4:13-18

 

[Stephen Andrew]

Peace to all,

To me the resurrection of the dead is in the Transfiguration of The Christ, the Body of God.

To me this is the logic of The Divine Being

From the sea to the ground and to the air.


Corinthians

I don’t want you to forget, dear brothers and sisters, about our ancestors in the wilderness long ago. All of them were guided by a cloud that moved ahead of them, and all of them walked through the sea on dry ground.

They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea.

As for Christ's view on "the dead" -- John 11 "Lazarus is dead" -- "Our friend Lazarus sleeps - I go that I may wake him"
And Paul would consider Abraham to be among the "dead in Christ" where "the dead in Christ rise first, then we who remain will be caught up together with them in the air"1 Thess 4:13-18

A child mystic was on the beach and St Thomas Aquinas watched him carry water from the ocean with a pink seashell to place the water in a hole in the sand. St Thomas Aquinas asked him what he was doing and the child mystic told him he was placing all of the water from the ocean into the hole in the beach sand. St Thomas Aquinas, a Bishop of the area told him that the ocean was to large and the shell is to small to carry all of the water in the ocean and place it in a hole in the sand. The child mystic then told St Thomas that he then could never understand the Divine Being. St Thomas Aquinas looked at the waters of the ocean and turned back to see the child mystic and the mystic had just disappeared.

Peace always,
Stephen

 

[tonychanyt]

To me this is the logic of The Trinity.

See My take on Trinity and follow up there

 

[BobRyan]

To me the resurrection of the dead is in the Transfiguration of The Christ, the Body of God.
To me this is the logic of The Divine Being

From the sea to the ground and to the air.

To me, the transfiguration starts with the Body that becomes from the storms from the sea

To me the sky is blue.

In the Bible the Matt 17 transfiguration has no connection at all to storms or seas.

, mortal and corruptible from Adam and Eve. Then through the waters of the Baptism the Body becomes immortal

The body is not immortal after baptism. We know this from the many millions that die after being baptized.
As Christ said in Matt 10 "they kill the body, but not the soul"

As for Christ's view on "the dead" -- John 11 "Lazarus is dead" -- "Our friend Lazarus sleeps - I go that I may wake him"

true. That is what Christ said in John 11 along with "he who believes in Me shall never die" in the same chapter as "Lazarus is dead"

And Paul would consider Abraham to be among the "dead in Christ" where "the dead in Christ rise first, then we who remain will be caught up together with them in the air"1 Thess 4:13-18

True - since as Paul states in Gal 3:8 "the gospel was preached to Abraham" and in Gal 1;6-9 - "there is only one gospel"

 

[Stephen Andrew]

Peace to all,

3. The only solution is that God is going to raise Abraham in the future and is calling those things that are not - as though they were

Thanks Toni, and your wording helps the world say it "Better." The words you have selected help in the union of the Faith in the world today. The universal truth is what unites all as one in being with God through the spirit in the soul of all beings.

To me, the universal spirit truth makes life on earth more abundant and keeps Heaven immortal.

I like the wording and have corrected it, thank you so much.

To me the storms and the seas are used to see the beginning, where Adam and Eve created love through the Power of "Spirit" will of the Father, God. Calming the storms and the seas is the fulfillment of Love by the Christ, glorifing mortal and failed flesh and transfiguring the Body by the power ot the eternal spirit that manifests immortality becoming united in Body of God.

Thanks for reading, I have always tried to explain the Transformation in logic in respect to the logic of the change in the Body from Mortal corrupt to immortality, incorruption and glorification as transfigured eternally divine.

We know Jesus soul was of the Divine and he was born of the Virgin Mary, for incorruption of the soul of the being into the Body of Christ. The Baptism of John allows the passing away of the old Body to receive the New Body of incorruptible and immortal and glorified and transfigured Body into the image of God. I am trying to provide to logic that co insides with the Word of the Faith of Christ, the redeemer.

The logic is we are born into corruption and sin and become immortal and incorruptible through the Body of Christ from Mary, the mother of Jesus, and we become glorified and transfigured into the image of the Father, God, all through the power of the Divine Spirit in the Soul of the Being in the Divine Body.

Some refer to the divine spirit as the Holy Ghost. All Abrahamic religions, Jews, Muslims and Christians believe in the common denominator as the spirit and in religions all over the world in belief as a supreme being. The spirit will what allows through the Power of the Spirit the transfiguration into the divine for the Body. In Christianity, the "Divine Spirit Will" is the incorruptible immortal will of the Father that will never fail in glorification of the Body. In the Divine Being in the Body, the Divine Body will be manifested by the Will of the Father through the Body to remain infallible as eternal perfection in union together with the Father and the Son glorified as one in being through the Power of the "Holy Spirit" will of God.

To me, the logic is that we are brothers and sisters of Dismas, and Christ, in the eternal Body of God, when from the cross He spoke to US by name before we were even born when from the cross He said "Disciple, Ecce Mater tua, Behold your Mother." Jesus 33AD

From Hebrews, 13 For if the blood of goats and bulls and the sprinkling of a heifer’s ashes can sanctify those who are defiled so that their flesh is cleansed, 14 how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from dead works to worship the living God.

For this reason he is mediator of a new covenant:
since a death has taken place for deliverance
from transgressions under the first covenant,
those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance.

This, to me is how mankind, The Body will save the angels by reopening the new heaven and earth for the Body of Christ, the Arc of the New Covenant, all mankind, saints and angels awaiting in the Bosom of Abraham. The New Covenant saves and redeems and glorifies and transfigures all the old covenant saved by the Old Covenant laws and all from the Bosom of Abraham when He said, from the cross and with Dismas, the repentant sinner from the cross, "Today, you will be with me in Paradise."

Thanks
Stephen