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The seventh day Sabbath was "made for mankind"

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Mark 7:7-13 Jewish tradition condemned those who chose to Honor parents - claiming that it would be far more spiritual to give gifts to God's Temple than obey the letter of the 5th commandment regarding parents. How much more spiritual, how much more noble to ignore the letter of the 5th commandment as if it service to God. After all "our Father in heaven" Matt 6 is so much greater than a literal father on Earth. How much more spiritual to ignore the details in the commandment for the sake of serving God - so they said.

How interesting that similar arguments can be found today - for setting aside the Sabbath commandment as well.

What if the fifth commandment means both? (as I have argued before around these parts). In other words what if it means both to honor your physical parents, your father and mother, but also includes honoring your spiritual parent(s), your heavenly Father and your heavenly Mother, (Yerushalem of above, according to Paul in Gal 4:22-31). To honor your heavenly Father and mother by default includes the feasts which cannot be separated from the Torah as "ceremonial law" or any other such creative inventions of men. Paul seals the meaning by quoting from a prominent place where Yerushalem of above is likened to the wilderness Tabernacle.

Galatians 4:26-27 KJV
26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband. [Isa 54:1]

Isaiah 54:1-3 KJV
1 Sing, O barren, thou that didst not bear; break forth into singing, and cry aloud, thou that didst not travail with child: for more are the children of the desolate than the children of the married wife, saith the LORD. [Gal 4:27]
2 Enlarge the place of thy tent, and let them stretch forth the curtains of thine habitations: spare not, lengthen thy cords, and strengthen thy stakes;
3 For thou shalt break forth on the right hand and on the left; and thy seed shall inherit the Gentiles, and make the desolate cities to be inhabited.

The Tent, the curtains, the cords, the stakes, no doubt all of these are items pertaining to the Tabernacle. There are indeed spiritual meanings of all things scripture, but they can only be understood according to the scripture and what is pleasing to the Father, such things do not contradict or countermand the scripture in any way, and especially in this example, the one understanding cannot and does not nullify the other, that is, honoring your physical earthly father and physical earthly mother. Both meanings can be applied and certainly do apply: the problem is that people do not believe Paul when he states emphatically that the Torah is spiritual, and that is why so many find a need to divide the Torah into supposedly ceremonial laws and moral laws so as to nullify a supposed ceremonial law.
 
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in the same way, as you cannot claim to keep the Sabbath just because you go to church on that day.If failing to uphold ALL other commandments then also a fail to keep the Sabbath as commanded. It's either All or Nothing! Look within ourselves first before we start looking at others.

Great day.
Thank you for your response, but let's keep in mind this is a Christian forum. This is not personal, this is the word of God we discussing here. So this is about all of us. Then of course you post not one verse or scripture, but let's take a look at what Paul says in (Rom. 13:7-10) (v.7) Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour. (v.8) Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. That’s the biblical definition of love, the keeping of God’s law. (v.9) For this, THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT KILL, THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS, THOU SHALT NOT COVET; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR AS THYSELF. (v.10) Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

And that is what God’s holy commandments are all about; the first four tells you how to love God and the last six tells you how to love your neighbor. If you love your God you will not do any thing to offend him, like having other gods before him. You will do as he says like remember the sabbath day to keep it holy on the seventh day of the week. If you love him you will obey him when he tells you not to eat certain meats etc… And the same goes for your fellow man, if you love your neighbor you wouldn’t steal from him, you wouldn’t kill him, you wouldn’t try and sleep with his wife and so on and so forth. (See exodus 20: 1-17)
 
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my quote of scripture that your POV finds inconvenient is not an issue that I have to adjust to.
I continue to affirm Mark 2:27 and Acts 13 and Acts 18:4 and Is 66:23 and ... though many find those texts inconvenient.
Sure and John 20:19, Acts 20:7, 11, 13, 1 Corinthians 16:1-2 all support the first day of the week for gathering. I'll throw in Revelation 1:10 as well to show the early church developed a sentiment for the first day of the week to call it the Lord's day. further more the Didache that is dated to the first century, shows the practice of meeting on the Lord's day already received as a part of tradition which is well established in history.

This support is heaps more than you've provided and I can still admit it's anecdotal (at least the biblical sources, the Didache and church history are pretty hard to dispute). whether I find something inconvenient or not is not the issue. the issue is you have too little support and the support you do list has nothing to do with teaching Sabbath practice.

as are all Ten for God said "Love Me and keep my Commandments" in Ex 20:6 and as Christ in John 14:15
So much so that 1 John 3:4 says "Sin IS transgression of God's Law"

But that is just about the time some wish to rephrase is to "only if it is law I am willing to comply with"
Using such subjective standards is not a reliable method of Bible study.

I have no idea what you mean by the last part but you're argument is based on widely conflating passages to support what you want them to. I mean "Sin IS transgression of God's Law" is not even a quote of any translation. You've paraphrased it to put more emphasis on the parts you want to highlight (and I don't mean the capitalization) I'm sorry it feels manipulative and sneaky and I can't respect how you present this.

1 John 3:4 in Greek uses the same word twice which is "lawlessness". It actually never speaks of law, or God's law, when Law is used in a translation's context it is implied. the NKJV shows the greek decently "Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness." So the focus is not about superimposing going against the 10 commandments which you have turn it into.

Not according to scripture.

IN actual scripture we see no ceremony at all in Gen 2:1-4 when Sabbath was sanctified - set apart for man.
In Mark 2:27 Jesus affirms the Sabbath "made for mankind" rather than condemning it.

In Ex 20:8-11 no ceremony at all.

The eisgetical insert "ceremonial based" does not pass a close review of scripture.
the 7th day is not a ceremony, but the instructions of the 4th are. it is a ritual practice in remembrance of the 7th day of creation that is officiated by the heads of the households.

Adam had no sin in Gen 2:1-4 -- so Sabbath was based on forgiveness of sins. It was a time of fellowship with God on THE day God selected for excluding all secular concerns - a day devoted to fellowship.

A day for all mankind to worship for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth Is 66:23 -- the point remains.

Christ said in John 14:15 that Love for Christ does not lead to the desire to object to His Commandments
The creation account is a salvation metaphor that shows us God speaks light into darkness,he starts a work in us and transforms us, when finished, he ushers in his rest. Christ calls him elf the light of the world, John 1 has very intentional parallels to Gen 1, and Paul shows us the creation account is speaking about Christ (2 Cor 4:6). to reject this would be futile, it's not that it might be but that it is. The entire account is in a chasitic pattern and I can break down every verse and show its parallel in the same account. This adds meaning to the account that is there even if you are not willing to see it. In this chaistic pattern, the 7th day is directly paralleled with the uniform void and darkness mentioned in Gen 1:2. the 7th day is positioned as this uniform void's antithesis, which shows us a powerful salvation metaphor as well as reveals to us the meaning of 7th day itself. As I've walked you through the 4th commandment shows us this connection as well. Sabbath doe not directly carry the meaning of salvation (the light of day 1 is the salvation event). Sabbath is the transformed work of God in our lives that started when light was spoken in your our lives and from it's result calls us Holy.
 
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What if the fifth commandment means both? (as I have argued before around these parts). In other words what if it means both to honor your physical parents, your father and mother, but also includes honoring your spiritual parent(s), your heavenly Father
No doubt one does not negate the other.

Honoring God does not mean you must dishonor your parents.

What has been proposed by some on this thread (apparently) is that literally remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy can't be done if one chooses the higher spiritual form of worship. The idea was that we ditch the literal obedience to the actual words of the commandment and choose instead to accept the gospel as if the gospel and actually obeying God's literal commandment were opposed to each other.

I was simply pointing that a suggestion of that form was tried by the Jews in Mark 7:7-13 and Christ rejected it.
 
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Unless Scripture (Heb 4:8-11) is what changes it. . .as it changed much of the OT law.
Hebrews 4 did not delete any commandments -- particularly any of the TEN .. And it is interesting that almost all denominations on Earth agree to this detail. It is not just the ones that affirm that seventh day Sabbath in the actual Bible that notice this detail.
 
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Sure and John 20:19,
Not a reference to a weekly worship service. RATHER -- It is a one off event.
Not a reference to ignoring or replacing the 7th day Sabbath and also not a reference to a week-day-1 dedicated day of worship.
Acts 20:7, 11, 13,
Not a reference to a weekly service of any kind, It is a one-off gathering because Paul was about to leave on a journey
Not a reference to ignoring or replacing the 7th day Sabbath and also not a reference to a week-day-1 dedicated day of worship.
1 Corinthians 16:1-2 all support the first day of the week for gathering.
Not a reference to a weekly service of any kind,
IT is a not even a gathering, or worship service -- it talks about "each laying up by himself alone at home" at the first of each week - some money
Not a reference to ignoring the 7th day Sabbath and also not a reference to a week-day-1 dedicated day of worship.


I'll throw in Revelation 1:10
No day of the week at all specified in Rev 1:10 unless you link it to Mark 2:28 "Christ LORD of the Sabbath" or you link it to Is 58:13 "Sabbath - the holy Day of the Lord".
This support is heaps more than you've provided
On the contrary - all of my examples are "Sabbath after Sabbath worship services"
and not a single one of your examples is "week-day-1 after week-day-1 worship services"

how is this even a tiny bit confusing?
 
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The creation account is a salvation metaphor
Only if you ignore enough details in the text and spiritualize the chapter away to a sufficient distance from its subject matter.
 
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the 7th day is not a ceremony, but the instructions of the 4th are.
Nope.

The 4th commandment has no ceremony at all in it -

Ex 20:
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath of the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

This is also true in Gen 2:1-3
 
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1 John 3:4 in Greek uses the same word twice which is "lawlessness". It actually never speaks of law, or God's law, when Law is used in a translation's context it is implied. the NKJV shows the greek decently "Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness."
The self-conflicted nature of your statement is more than a little aparent.

"never speaks of Law or God's Law" -- when the text says "Sin IS transgression of the Law" -- "sin IS Lawlessness".

Your statement needs more work.
 
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in the same way, as you cannot claim to keep the Sabbath just because you go to church on that day.If failing to uphold ALL other commandments then also a fail to keep the Sabbath as commanded. It's either All or Nothing! Look within ourselves first before we start looking at others.

Great day.
Jesus did not charge any of his disciples with Sabbath breaking since they were not sinless.

This is also the case with Paul in Act 18:4 keeping the Sabbath "every Sabbath" - preaching the Gospel to both gentiles and Jews in the Synagogues.

Heb 10 makes it clear that animal sacrifices and offerings end with the death of Christ - yet the Ten remain as Paul reminds us in Eph 6:1-3
 
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Do you reject the spiritual meaning of the Sabbath? Which is greater the spiritual or the physical? (You're also conflating again)

Why the need to dissect law?
Gen 2:1-3 no salvation issue at all - is present at the founding the Sabbath "made for mankind" in Eden
Is 66:23 speaks of the new Earth -- having Sabbath keeping "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before Me to worship.

Having rest in Christ every day was never contradictory to God's own Sabbath command to sinless man in Gen 2 and did not contradict the Sabbath teaching of Christ.

Christ in fact condemns the idea of trying bend His Words to attack God's Commandments in Matt 5.
 
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Not a reference to a weekly worship service. RATHER -- It is a one off event.
Not a reference to ignoring or replacing the 7th day Sabbath and also not a reference to a week-day-1 dedicated day of worship.

Not a reference to a weekly service of any kind, It is a one-off gathering because Paul was about to leave on a journey
Not a reference to ignoring or replacing the 7th day Sabbath and also not a reference to a week-day-1 dedicated day of worship.

Not a reference to a weekly service of any kind,
IT is a not even a gathering, or worship service -- it talks about "each laying up by himself alone at home" at the first of each week - some money
Not a reference to ignoring the 7th day Sabbath and also not a reference to a week-day-1 dedicated day of worship.



No day of the week at all specified in Rev 1:10 unless you link it to Mark 2:28 "Christ LORD of the Sabbath" or you link it to Is 58:13 "Sabbath - the holy Day of the Lord".

On the contrary - all of my examples are "Sabbath after Sabbath worship services"
and not a single one of your examples is "week-day-1 after week-day-1 worship services"

how is this even a tiny bit confusing?

I've already told you the NT claims I shown of Sunday worship were anecdotal, yet it still has more support than you give... which is also anecdotal

Only if you ignore enough details in the text and spiritualize the chapter away to a sufficient distance from its subject matter.

I didn't say the account only had spiritual meaning but it would be irresponsible to ignore the spiritual meaning of the account. I have also ignored nothing in the account. There is not one word that I cross out, it all supports the spiritual depth.

Nope.

The 4th commandment has no ceremony at all in it -

Ex 20:
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath of the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

This is also true in Gen 2:1-3
Prescribing an action for the goal of remembering an event that repeats at the same time each week falls under the category of ceremony. I just googled "ceremony" the first definition is "a formal religious or public occasion, typically one celebrating a particular event or anniversary." You might argue that the sabbath was an informal ceremony which I would be fine with, but still a ceremony. I would say the context of the 4th is delivered to the heads of the household who then pass down the message to their son/daughter, male/female servant, and so on... based on the hierarchical structure evident in the commandment, it is given to the one at the top of hierarchy for that household. in this sense they become the officiants of Sabbath for those under their care, thus formalising the ceremony. But informal or formal, it's still a ceremony. I'm not sure why you would debate that point; it's just a matter of fact.

The self-conflicted nature of your statement is more than a little aparent.

"never speaks of Law or God's Law" -- when the text says "Sin IS transgression of the Law" -- "sin IS Lawlessness".

Your statement needs more work.

in the passage the greek word "nomos" (or law) is never mentioned. the word mentioned is "anomia" which is derived from a negated nomos. Negated nomos is "anomos" which can be translated as "without law" or "lawless" such as seen in 1 Cor 9:21. "anomia" is further nuanced and more like "lawlessness" or you could say "acts committed against law" but that statement is too meaty and limits the simplicity of the word. lawlessness best captures the nuances that may come up over the more specific "acts commits against law"

the verse has the word "to commit" (poieo). the verse more literally says "everyone who commits sin, also commit lawlessless" so the word "transgress" is not well fleshed out here and is more of a combination of "commit" plus the "a-" portion of "anomia" and the left over bits converted to "nomos" to support the reading of "transgressing against law". That translation is fine, and I'm not going to pick it apart but if we really want to develop theological concepts from it then we need to get deeper in the study.

I know "God's law" is often conflated with the 10 commandments so it's easy to add "transgressed against God's law" here to support this idea that we need to keep the 10 commandments. The word is speaking of broadly acts against law (ambiguous) and equating this with sin itself but its purpose is not to isolate the 10 commandments. "law" is not unpacked to this extent, NT reading, not to mention the strong brotherly love tone of the Johannine epistles, supports a reading of Christ's law over torah/10 commandments (in the specific sense) when it addresses lawlessness. Paul shows this connection of "God Commandmends" by comparing 1 Cor 7:19, Gal 5:6 and Gal 6:15, the result is Paul is actually capturing a new covenant concept through Christ's law, not an old covenant concept (through the 10) Christ's law is not in competition with torah (or the 10) but it is shown as a better way of lawful action that is introduced first by Christ and repeated by NT authors. Although "law" in this passage is ambiguous, if we are to use other NT authors as our guide, Christ's law is far more articulated and fleshed out than this unspoken 10 commandments that your superimposing over this verse.

Jesus did not charge any of his disciples with Sabbath breaking since they were not sinless.

This is also the case with Paul in Act 18:4 keeping the Sabbath "every Sabbath" - preaching the Gospel to both gentiles and Jews in the Synagogues.

Heb 10 makes it clear that animal sacrifices and offerings end with the death of Christ - yet the Ten remain as Paul reminds us in Eph 6:1-3

Eph 6:1-3 does not address the 10 commandments as you want them to. it addresses one commandment, and restates it in a NT context. NT authors don't comment on sabbath instruction, and more so their comments shift away from sabbath practice (like Col 2). Christ himself shows us sabbath practice by saying, "it is lawful to do good on the sabbath" (Mt 12:12) yet doesn't comment on any other sabbath practice. If we were to collect all sabbath teaching in the NT our net result would be very week in support of continued sabbath practice according to the letter. The 4th is not about gathering or traditional worship it is about resting as the worship, the gathering parts more inferred from other texts. because sabbath practice commented so little in the NT (and really nothing at all). To assume this means full support of the letter of the law is irresponsible or anecdotal at best. As you've said, aspects of law have without question ended as Heb 10 identifies. So does this not challenge readings of Matthew 5:17? Certainly not in the sense that Mat 5:17 is false but that it cannot support this idea that no law changes or ends when speaking of "fulfilled" when very clearly this is exactly what has happened with these specific examples. Since the 4th does not address moral behaviour why then is this so hard to view it with the same outcome? not it's spiritual value but it's physical adherence to the letter. But Christ shows us law is not about how many people we resisted murdering that we are judged on favourably, but rather the actions (or inactions) of the heart such as a call to love our neighbour. How much more is this with the Sabbath when I close my door and shut my blinds so that I may rest while hundreds around me are not able to, like being surrounding by bleating sheep trapped in pits (how dare they disturb our rest)


Gen 2:1-3 no salvation issue at all - is present at the founding the Sabbath "made for mankind" in Eden
Is 66:23 speaks of the new Earth -- having Sabbath keeping "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before Me to worship.

Having rest in Christ every day was never contradictory to God's own Sabbath command to sinless man in Gen 2 and did not contradict the Sabbath teaching of Christ.

Christ in fact condemns the idea of trying bend His Words to attack God's Commandments in Matt 5.
are you saying there is no spiritual meaning to Sabbath? that seems a bit of an odd thing to say. why would motivate you to say something like this?
 
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Hebrews 4 did not delete any commandments -- particularly any of the TEN .. And it is interesting that almost all denominations on Earth agree to this detail. It is not just the ones that affirm that seventh day Sabbath in the actual Bible that notice this detail.
Jesus fulfilled (Mt 5:17) our Sabbath-rest by being our Sabbath-rest from our own works to save and in his work which saves completely.

Jesus, not a day of the week, is our full-time Sabbath rest (Heb 4:4).
 
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No, the Sabbath rest is still a commandment Luke 23:56 and is still the seventh day according to the Authority of God Exo 20:10 Heb 4:4 and God said He would not alter His Words Psa 89:34, not a jot or tittle Mat 5:18 why we see the Sabbath in the NT continue on just the way God said


Acts 16:13 And on the Sabbath day we went out of the city to the riverside, where prayer was customarily made; and we sat down and spoke to the women who met there.

No wonder why we are told not to add to God's Word Pro 30:5-6, because our ideas, desires. wants do not make sense compared to what God says.

Acts 16:13 And on Jesus the Sabbath day we went out of the city to the riverside, where prayer was customarily made; and we sat down and spoke to the women who met there.

What did Jesus say on this matter? Did He say He became the Sabbath?

Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
He did not say

Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on Jesus the sabbath day:
Mark 2:27 The Sabbath is made for man, not Jesus, it is something man does Isa 56:2 Exo 20:8-11


Do we really know better than the very Testimony of Jesus Christ?

How do we believe Jesus but not what He taught?

No Scripture says Jesus became a commandment, a day and we can now profane God's Sabbath commandment, its a sad teaching leading people away from breaking God's law written on the Authority of God, personally. Exo 31:18
 
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No, the Sabbath rest is still a commandment Luke 23:56 and is still the seventh day according to the Authority of God Exo 20:10 Heb 4:4 and God said He would not alter His Words Psa 89:34, not a jot or tittle Mat 5:18 why we see the Sabbath in the NT continue on just the way God said
Acts 16:13 And on the Sabbath day we went out of the city to the riverside, where prayer was customarily made; and we sat down and spoke to the women who met there.
No wonder why we are told not to add to God's Word Pro 30:5-6, because our ideas, desires. wants do not make sense compared to what God says.

Acts 16:13 And on Jesus the Sabbath day we went out of the city to the riverside, where prayer was customarily made; and we sat down and spoke to the women who met there.

What did Jesus say on this matter? Did He say He became the Sabbath?

Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Of course not. If we can't believe the very words that came out of Jesus mouth, how do we believe Jesus but not what He taught?

No Scripture says Jesus became a commandment, a day and we can now profane God's Sabbath, its a sad teaching leading people away from breaking God's law written on the Authority of God personally.
None of which demonstrate the 7th day as the day required for observance.
 
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None of which demonstrate a required 7th day observance.
You did not demonstrate that the Sabbath day turned into Jesus, according to thus saith the Lord, it didn't. If we are not to worship other gods, murder or steal, so stands the 4th commandment the way God said. Its best to allow God to be God and determine His righteousness Psa 119:172 Isa 56:1-6 instead of ours, as ours is as fifthly rags and His is everlasting, Psa 119:142 and the foundation of His Throne Psa 89:14
 
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You did not demonstrate that the Sabbath day turned into Jesus, according to thus saith the Lord, it didn't. If we are not to worship other gods, murder or steal, so stands the 4th commandment the way God said. Its best to allow God to be God and determine His righteousness Psa 119:172 Isa 56:1-6 instead of ours, as ours is as fifthly rags and His is everlasting, Psa 119:142 and the foundation of His Throne Psa 89:14
There is another Sabbath remaining for the people of God (Heb 4:8-9), in which they rest from their work to save themselves and in Christ's work which saves them to the uttermost.

Christ is their NT Sabbath-rest.
 
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There is another Sabbath remaining for the people of God (Heb 4:8-9), in which they rest from their work to save themselves and in Christ's work which saves them to the uttermost.

Christ is their NT Sabbath-rest.
No Scripture says another Sabbath rest remains, it says: There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; 4:9 NIV , not “another” and the Sabbath rest is according to the commandment. Luke 23:56 because God’s people keep God’s commandments, Rev 14:12 His version, not mans. Why nothing changed in the NT, the apostles all keeping the Sabbath in the same manner as Jesus. Acts 18:4 Luke 4:16 because thats what a Christian means, to be a follower of Christ, not coming up with creative ways to make something unholy that God made holy and sanctified Eze 22:26 Gen 2:1-3 Exo 20:11


There is no Scripture that says Christ is the Sabbath and we no longer need to obey the Sabbath commandment. Just a sad teaching of man, that we will be responsible for at His Second Coming Mat 5:19 Matthew 12:36
 
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No Scripture says another Sabbath rest remains, it says the Sabbath-rest remains for God’s people Hen 4:19 \NIV , not “another” Sabbath adding what is not there is not a good idea Pro 30:6-7 no Scripture says Christ is the Sabbath and we no longer need to obey the Sabbath commandment. Just a sad teaching of man, that we will be responsible for at His Second Coming Mat 5:19 Matthew 12:36
Someone has altered the text of your Bible.
 
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Someone has altered the text of your Bible.
Not my Bible, My Bible says God will not alter His Words Psa 89:34, not a jot or tittle Mat 5:18 so we either believe God’s own Testimony or we don’t. All will get sorted out soon enough
 
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