The Other Price of Freedom.

[lawtonfogle]

Many of us are willing to pay the known price, or at least support those who do, for freedom. But how many of us even see, much less pay for, the hidden price of freedom. Freedom isn't a one way deal. The freedom to go to send your children to a Christian church for them to learn about Jesus is the same freedom which lets another send their child to Mosque and learn about Allah.

To the Christians out there, is the freedom to go to your Church worth price of the children who are raised not Christian going to hell?

To the atheist out there, is the freedom to deny all religions worth the price of those religions coming back around and making laws since the majority wants it that way?

To those who speak out there, is the freedom to say nice things others worth the price of having others who only tear people down?

Is the freedom to have good clean family friendly television worth the price of having things better meant for play boy sometimes coming on?

Is clean radio worth the price of sex filled talk shows on other frequencies?

Religious freedom worth gay marriage?

Christian forums worth the porn sites?

Liberty worth the abuse thereof?


Are we willing to pay the hidden price?

Are we willing to accept the bad with the good, since what ones sees as bad is another's good and one's good another's bad?

 

[DeathMagus]

I'd assume for anyone who hasn't committed suicide, the answer is "yes."

 

[Exhausted]

Many of us are willing to pay the known price, or at least support those who do, for freedom. But how many of us even see, much less pay for, the hidden price of freedom. Freedom isn't a one way deal. The freedom to go to send your children to a Christian church for them to learn about Jesus is the same freedom which lets another send their child to Mosque and learn about Allah.

The freedom to pick your mental poison? Sure, whatever.

To the Christians out there, is the freedom to go to your Church worth price of the children who are raised not Christian going to hell?

"Various religions claim that all disbelievers go to hell. Since more than one religion claims this, it can be assumed that everyone goes to hell..."

To the atheist out there, is the freedom to deny all religions worth the price of those religions coming back around and making laws since the majority wants it that way?

I like to think that the majority is not ruled by their mental fictions. Reality seems to agree with me.

To those who speak out there, is the freedom to say nice things others worth the price of having others who only tear people down?

Thankfully I am one of the tear downers. And yes, I think it is worth the price of others saying nice things so that I may tear them down.

Is the freedom to have good clean family friendly television worth the price of having things better meant for play boy sometimes coming on?

I fail to see how one is somehow a "price" when both rock.

Is clean radio worth the price of sex filled talk shows on other frequencies?

See previous.

Religious freedom worth gay marriage?

No, the right of many people to be stupid is not worth the trouble it is causing homosexuals.

Christian forums worth the porn sites?

Again, both are awesome in their own way.

Liberty worth the abuse thereof?

Assuming no one is breaking a law or anything, it is impossible to "abuse" liberty.

Are we willing to pay the hidden price?

Are you able to deal ith people who are not like you? Probably not.

Are we willing to accept the bad with the good, since what ones sees as bad is another's good and one's good another's bad?

It often seems not. The ability to not force your views on others is much in demand these days.

 

[lawtonfogle]

I am/was not making any statements of my own beliefs in my X worth Y statements, only trying to mirror I number I have seen.

The freedom to pick your mental poison? Sure, whatever.
"Various religions claim that all disbelievers go to hell. Since more than one religion claims this, it can be assumed that everyone goes to hell..."

I like to think that the majority is not ruled by their mental fictions. Reality seems to agree with me.

Last time I checked you couldn't get a gay marriage in most states. And then you do have those who are like this:

So why is the Bible true?

Because it says so.

So why do you believe what it says?

Because it is true.

So why is the Bible true?

Because it says so.
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Come on, just walk into a Baptist church, and assuming they don't expel you for being a agent of Satan, you'll hear this again and again.

Thankfully I am one of the tear downers. And yes, I think it is worth the price of others saying nice things so that I may tear them down.
I fail to see how one is somehow a "price" when both rock.

See previous.
No, the right of many people to be stupid is not worth the trouble it is causing homosexuals.

Again, both are awesome in their own way.

Assuming no one is breaking a law or anything, it is impossible to "abuse" liberty.


Are you able to deal ith people who are not like you? Probably not.

Quite the contrary. I have a few friends who are quite different. Then again, I can't think of a person I would say is like myself.

It often seems not. The ability to not force your views on others is much in demand these days.

 

[Verv]

the answer is rather simple:

Being a Christian is only a personal choice and even if it was legally mandated it does not guarantee at all that peopel will follow Christ. The only thing that makes someone a Christian is a personal thing, nothing else.

 

[Exhausted]

Is this where I make a sarcastic remark about assuming that people mean what they say, how dare I?

Or the part where I mention that I had my suspicions, but I had assumed that if you were just mirroring, you would have disclaimered as such in the OP?

 

[lawtonfogle]

Is this where I make a sarcastic remark about assuming that people mean what they say, how dare I?

Or the part where I mention that I had my suspicions, but I had assumed that if you were just mirroring, you would have disclaimered as such in the OP?

No, but this is the part where I let you know that sometimes I don't put such disclaimers down till some time later partly to teach people to not assume everything in the first post (though I myself am guilty of doing that).

Then again, I don't see how you got the whole me not liking those different than myself concept from my first post. Care to explain?

 

[Corey]

Lawton...what's the point of this thread?

 

[lawtonfogle]

Lawton...what's the point of this thread?

I don't know.


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What, you expecting me to understand why I do what I do?


Really, at best it is an attempt, though not well thought out, to get people to understand that they have to accept the bad (ignorance to homosexual marriage) along with the good points of freedom.

I think...

 

[Exhausted]

All humans are guilty of hypocrisy, though, yes?

As to how I got that idea well a lot of the OP is basically "how can we have freedom if other people will use it to disagree with me" or that is how I interpreted it.

 

[lawtonfogle]

All humans are guilty of hypocrisy, though, yes?

Yes, doesn't mean we can't try to stop it though. (does that count as the use of a double negative?)

As to how I got that idea well a lot of the OP is basically "how can we have freedom if other people will use it to disagree with me" or that is how I interpreted it.

Hmm.... didn't even think that was a possible interpretation. I was aiming for the "your freedom to do X is another's freedom to do Y, even if X and Y are quite different. Of course, we can't shout fire in a theater, so there are some limitations.