2 Peter 3:8 has nothing to do with the Creation week. It directly refers to the delay of the second coming. It weakens your argument when you have to twist Scripture out of context to try and prove your point. You have been brainwashed to believe an old earth creation and nothing I can say will change that. You can keep trolling me if you wish but don't expect any further response from me.
It has everything to do with the Creation week! It's about God's reckoning of time, not yours.
Oh, so apparently God's reckoning of time varies with how much it influences your favorite doctrines Handy, that.
Wanna read what it says again, and what the commentators I cited say it means? Wanna see if you can find any commentator who agrees with the limits you place on what St. Peter said? Boy, for a Biblical Literalist, you sure feel free to retranslate it to suit your personal presuppositions. If it were anyone else, I'd have to assume that they were just making up "rules" to keep the Bible from getting in the way of their beliefs. Surely one can''t be that dishonest and still manage to face themselves in the mirror. Or can they?
At least I don't have to say "No, that doesn't count!" as much as you so, or assign limits the what the Scripture actually says. like you feel the need to do.
Yeah, it comes down to believing the Bible or your claptrap, so I have to go with the latter. Not a hard choice, really.
Well there's a shocker!
Because God created time, therefore He exists outside of it. This is why God is not limited to our measurement of time. However, the Creation week is within our measurement of time. Only in eternity where God dwells where there is no time, a thousand hears in our time is just a mere day in ours. Therefore, Genesis 1 saying "Evening and morning, the first day", etc for five successful days, shows that creation took six 24 hours days in our time. Therefore trying to apply 1 Peter 3:8 to creation week is irrelevant.
No duh!
So far so good. I'm waiting for your "except this time" dance.
Since it was us doing it and not God?
But God wasn't in eternity where He dwells during the Creation, He was in Wellington?
Because your doctrine plainly says so. Give over, it's still rubbish no matter how you try to maneuver out of it.
Because you want God to be bound by time in this one instance to keep Him from fouling up your favorite doctrine.
So the word of man says earth was rotating at it's current rate of speed yet the word of God says nothing about earth's rotating speed in Genesis 1:1, hmmIt's very interesting that everywhere else where the Hebrew word "yom" is used, everyone knows exactly what it means, and yet in Genesis 1:1 where it is plainly obvious that "evening and morning" means a 24 hour day, they dispute that meaning. I think that they don't want to believe that God created the world in six 24 hour days. They are accepting the doubt that Satan said Eve: "Did God really say that?"
Also, on the first day God said, "Let there be light". It wasn't until the 4th day that He created the sun and the moon, but the earth was there and was rotating. We are not told where the original light came from, but obvious there was an evening and morning which made up a 24 hour day caused by the rotation of the earth. God is quite capable of creating a source of light and He doesn't have to say where it came from, until He came around to lighting up the sun on the 4th day.
So, the word of man says that Genesis 1:1 does not consist in 24 hour days, yet the word of God says it does. I'd rather go with the word of God in favour of the word of man.
Some try to use the verse: "A day to the Lord is as a thousand years" (and leave out the rest of the verse which says "A thousand years as a day"). But that verse in 2 Peter 3:8 has nothing to do with creation. The context is to answer people who are doubting the second coming of Christ because it is taking a long time to happen. Peter is saying that God, not being limited by our time, even a thousand years to God is just one day to Him, and this shows that He is in no hurry to end the Church Age. So to apply it to creation to try and say that the day in Genesis 1:1 could be thousands of years, is to twist the Scripture right out of its context and make it mean something that Peter never meant it to mean.
Your reasoning that an evening and morning could be weeks apart is just stupid. The Scripture clearly says, "Evening and morning, the first day" then "evening and morning the second day", etc.
Furthermore, seeing that we have a seven day week, where there is six days of work and one day of rest. Therefore our working week was set by God by the seven days of creation. But if you don't believe that, then your working week must be pretty arduous having days of thousands of years in between!But shows the illogical reasoning those who prefer the word of man to the clear word of God.
Yes it does. It says "evening and morning" six times. The only way for it to be an evening and a morning is for the earth to rotate to vary the intensity of the light source. Basic common sense really.
Rotating speed is irrelevant if there's no sun creating evenings and mornings.
How fast is an evening? At what latitude, and in what season? Hmmm...
What light source was that? The one you say had to be there, that isn't mentioned at all in Scripture?
Because the sun was not created until the fourth day, there was obviously another source of light the nature of which we are not told. When God said, "Let there be light" a source of light suddenly appeared. that enabled the first three days to occur before the sun was created and lit up.
It does say that a source of light was there, because right at the start God said, "Let there be light". That took place four days before the sun was created. Anyone with half a brain would know that there was a source of light that appeared when God said, "Let there be light".
Another understanding of Genesis is that the 7 days are actually ex materia not ex nihilo.
Want to describe it for us, and how it worked to cause evenings and mornings? You really seem to know a lot more than Scripture tells us, so I'm keen to know about this light source. Was it a directional beam, or omnidirectional like the sun? Where was it situated in relation to the earth? I mean, the moon and stars are light sources. but they don't really cause evenings and mornings, do they? It could have been something of that nature.
You're gaslighting again old man. You're the one who quoted God saying that the creation happened in six 24 hour days. The Bible, and hence, God, says no such thing. You just stuck it in there as though your word was equivalent to God's. Naughty naughty! And you've also made up stuff about a "light source" that once again, is never mentioned in the Bible. You still need t make up some details about this hitherto unknown light source, but I'm sure you won't disappoint us.
You don't know if the earth was spinning one mile an hour or a thousand miles an hour. And that doesn't change there being a evening and morning it only changes the length of the day.
Your bounding a 24 hour day that isn't the same as a day with the Lord. He isn't bound to anything in that verse. If a day is like a thousand years or vice-versa than certainly a minute is like a million years.
The use of the word "yom" in Genesis 1:1 is exactly the same as all the other places where "yom" is used to denote a 24 hour day.
I'll just point this out again. The days of Genesis are about a temple inauguration. It's not about the age of the earth.
No one knows the mind of God and cannot say as an absolute God wouldn't have done this or that.
No its not, where's your info?
How do you account for the fact that Adam was created on the sixth day? Are you saying that Adam lived for millions of years during the sixth day? If you are saying that the first five days took millions of years each, then Adam must have lived for millions of years during the sixth day of creation. Or, the sixth day, just like the previous five were just 24 hours. Otherwise how could five days be millions of years each, and the sixth 24 hours? Seems illogical to me seeing that Adam lived just over 900 years after the Fall.
