Modern day systemic racism, does it exist?

[Pommer]

You seem to struggle with challenging your preconceptions.

We have outcomes that are worse for those who are BIPOC.
Arguing that that is because of anything but racism, misses the point whilst proving it at the same time.

Congratulations, it’s rare to see such unintentional honesty!

 

[MrMoe]

We have outcomes that are worse for those who are BIPOC.

That isn't in dispute. Why outcomes are worse for those who are BIPOC is what's in dispute.

Arguing that that is because of anything but racism,

That wasn't my argument. My argument is it could be racism, but it could be other reasons.

Your argument seems to be it can't be anything but racism.

misses the point whilst proving it at the same time.

What was the point? I though it was that BIPOC have worse outcomes because of systemic racism. A claim that you has yet to proven.

Congratulations, it’s rare to see such unintentional honesty!

"it’s rare to see such unintentional honesty!" Implying that I'm being dishonest most of the time. Do you have anything else to add to the debate beside an ad hominem?

 

[essentialsaltes]

Russell Vought steers the Trumpified CFPB in a regressive direction​

[During Trump 1.0,] the Republican president appointed Kathleen Kraninger to run the consumer bureau, and she brought a case against a Chicago-based lender that was accused of racially discriminatory practices. The effort succeeded, and the lender ultimately agreed to a settlement after losing a court fight.

[During Trump 2.0, the CFPB] is seeking to give back $105,000 that a mortgage lender paid to settle racial discrimination claims last fall.

Christine Chen Zinner, a senior lawyer at Americans for Financial Reform, a progressive advocacy group, told the Times that the consumer bureau’s attempt to overturn the settlement is “bananacakes.”

 

[gaara4158]

It’s painful to see this thread still going after nearly four years, but with the broadened perspective that time has given us, I have more to say on this topic.

The term “systemic racism” entered the common lexicon in the early 2020’s as the BLM movement gained traction under a unique period of social unrest due both to Covid lockdowns and highly publicized cases of police brutality. Originally a term meant to describe nominally race-blind systems that consistently put minority races at a disadvantage, the term quickly became muddled as it was wielded by both sides of the political aisle as an example of how crazy the opposing sect sounded. On the Left it was a sign that our systems needed a full overhaul to protect racial equality (if only they could muscle past the racists protecting those systems), and on the Right it was a bunch of crazy leftists tilting at their latest boogeyman when clearly racism had been defeated decades prior.

As with most hot-button issues, the Left refused to eschew academic language for something more accessible while the Right oversimplified and spun it in their favor. The course of this thread since 2021 shows how even now we remain divided along party lines. The course of the political climate since then shows who was more effective.

Of course systemic racism exists. That’s like asking if evolution is true, if climate change is happening, or if the Earth is roughly spherical. The question is what’s to be done about it? How do we go about righting racial inequities that are baked into our society without doing similar injustice to another undeserving party?

Alright, that’s enough pretentious formality for one day.

 

[Pommer]

It’s painful to see this thread still going after nearly four years, but with the broadened perspective that time has given us, I have more to say on this topic.

The term “systemic racism” entered the common lexicon in the early 2020’s as the BLM movement gained traction under a unique period of social unrest due both to Covid lockdowns and highly publicized cases of police brutality. Originally a term meant to describe nominally race-blind systems that consistently put minority races at a disadvantage, the term quickly became muddled as it was wielded by both sides of the political aisle as an example of how crazy the opposing sect sounded. On the Left it was a sign that our systems needed a full overhaul to protect racial equality (if only they could muscle past the racists protecting those systems), and on the Right it was a bunch of crazy leftists tilting at their latest boogeyman when clearly racism had been defeated decades prior.

Yes, the fight about the fight was as far as we ever got.

As with most hot-button issues, the Left refused to eschew academic language for something more accessible while the Right oversimplified and spun it in their favor. The course of this thread since 2021 shows how even now we remain divided along party lines. The course of the political climate since then shows who was more effective.

The Right doesn’t want to have these conversations, (and we (again) fight about the fight).

Of course systemic racism exists. That’s like asking if evolution is true, if climate change is happening, or if the Earth is roughly spherical. The question is what’s to be done about it? How do we go about righting racial inequities that are baked into our society without doing similar injustice to another undeserving party?

Many still ascribe to the it’s anything but racism…(oh, let us just call it) “philosophy”.
We are not a cereal nation.

Alright, that’s enough pretentious formality for one day.

Speak for thyself, sir!
Good day!