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"There is no one that can explain the Incarnation of Christ, yet He came as a man and lived among men. The Man, Christ Jesus was not the Lord God Almighty, yet Christ and the Father are one. The Deity did not sink under the agonizing torture of Calvary. Yet it is none the less true that God so loved the World that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believeth will not perish but have everlasting life."
quote transcribed from Answering Adventism video, Doug Batchelor Fables #8 "The SDA Church's Closest to the Teachings of Jesus?!"
As the Youtuber says "I have heard their Apologists try to give the defense 'No! No No! She was just differentiating between Jesus and the Father'. Folks, she said her words were barricaded by a "Thus says the Lord." The same author behind those words she claims was the same author behind the Scriptures. The Holy Spirit.
The video host also notes similar excuses like "A slip of the pen" where the same retort also applies.
My commentary
People familiar with Nicene Theology and Heresy will see some Arian and Nestorian potential in the previous quote. Adventism has a lot of this, and it is no wonder why "the Pioneers" eschewed the "pagan philosophy" behind the Theology of the Ancient Church. Such theology and its precise Greek terms and formulations were specifically crafted and engineered to prevent confusion and bad and accidental statements/beliefs about the Godhead, Hypostatic union etc. but by eschewing these things and instead embracing their own language and even trying to explain things in a modern folksy way Adventist's and other similar folks essentially make all the old theological mistakes again as the Ancient Heretics by virtue of trying to reinvent the Wheel but using inferior materials in the effort.
PS - another noteworthy comment from Answering Adventism creator is his observation (as a former 3rd generation Adventist), that official Trinitarianism and other classic theology is not a "Foundational" teaching the way the church other teachings on. This is in agreement with another official statement that I may add if I run across it again that agrees and says that the Church's "Eschatological Message" was where it's priorities were and all other topics like this were on a lower level (This means that stuff like not eating pork, and you shouldn't worship on Sunday are more important than orthodox Trinitarianism and proper Christology). Basically, within a given organization you can have people that are Trinitarians in the common Christian orthodox sense, but also have folks who closely follow "the Pioneers" that are basically Arians or Tri-theists and "it's all good", just as long as everybody follows the Adventist denominational distinctives.
quote transcribed from Answering Adventism video, Doug Batchelor Fables #8 "The SDA Church's Closest to the Teachings of Jesus?!"
As the Youtuber says "I have heard their Apologists try to give the defense 'No! No No! She was just differentiating between Jesus and the Father'. Folks, she said her words were barricaded by a "Thus says the Lord." The same author behind those words she claims was the same author behind the Scriptures. The Holy Spirit.
The video host also notes similar excuses like "A slip of the pen" where the same retort also applies.
My commentary
People familiar with Nicene Theology and Heresy will see some Arian and Nestorian potential in the previous quote. Adventism has a lot of this, and it is no wonder why "the Pioneers" eschewed the "pagan philosophy" behind the Theology of the Ancient Church. Such theology and its precise Greek terms and formulations were specifically crafted and engineered to prevent confusion and bad and accidental statements/beliefs about the Godhead, Hypostatic union etc. but by eschewing these things and instead embracing their own language and even trying to explain things in a modern folksy way Adventist's and other similar folks essentially make all the old theological mistakes again as the Ancient Heretics by virtue of trying to reinvent the Wheel but using inferior materials in the effort.
PS - another noteworthy comment from Answering Adventism creator is his observation (as a former 3rd generation Adventist), that official Trinitarianism and other classic theology is not a "Foundational" teaching the way the church other teachings on. This is in agreement with another official statement that I may add if I run across it again that agrees and says that the Church's "Eschatological Message" was where it's priorities were and all other topics like this were on a lower level (This means that stuff like not eating pork, and you shouldn't worship on Sunday are more important than orthodox Trinitarianism and proper Christology). Basically, within a given organization you can have people that are Trinitarians in the common Christian orthodox sense, but also have folks who closely follow "the Pioneers" that are basically Arians or Tri-theists and "it's all good", just as long as everybody follows the Adventist denominational distinctives.
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