yes of course ... thing is when i read your post the word "prepare" stuck out and it did not sit well so i asked you for the verse ... i also double checked and since its about labor which gathering is, although they were allowed to "prepare" ( not cook with fire ) their food on the Sabbath Exodus 12:16Ex 16:
And it came to pass, that on the sixth day they gathered twice as much bread, two omers for one man: and all the rulers of the congregation came and told Moses.
23 And he said unto them, This is that which the LORD hath said, To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the LORD: bake that which ye will bake to day, and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning.
24 And they laid it up till the morning, as Moses bade: and it did not stink, neither was there any worm therein.
25 And Moses said, Eat that to day; for to day is a sabbath unto the LORD: to day ye shall not find it in the field.
In my mind Baking is cooking v23 is cooking as in what they gathered they could bake,yes of course ... thing is when i read your post the word "prepare" stuck out and it did not sit well so i asked you for the verse ... i also double checked and since its about labor which gathering is, although they were allowed to "prepare" ( not cook with fire ) their food on the Sabbath Exodus 12:16
apologies for straining out a gnat
yes but before sunset ... and after they could prepare the cooked food on the sabbath ... you can see this in Exodus 15:5 which they prepared prior ... there being a difference from baking bread and slicing it up to make a sand wedge ...In my mind Baking is cooking v23 is cooking as in what they gathered they could bake,
So was Peter, yet God said to him, "Rise, kill, eat, because your stubborn insistence is causing you to be unable to relate to people who aren't Jews" . The whole point was that physical representations don't matter. Your DNA, your country, your ethnicity, skin color, language, economic status, whatever; Jesus was saying none of that matters to God. The Israelites are a horrible example to use. They nigh constantly rebelled against God, to the point that he said he couldn't be around them for even a short time without wanting to destroy them.Well, duh. He's a Jew.
Before Noah it was clean animals after it changed.
Gen 9:1-4
1 And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.
2 And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered.
3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.
4 But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.
Matt 15: 9-11;
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
10 And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand:
11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.
16 And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?
17 Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?
18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
1490 BC food laws put into place. Lev 11; these laws are not arbitrary; food plays a chief part in health and sickness, defilement and abominable. Our bodies are the same as they were back in 1490 B.C. just as the unclean animals are still considered unclean today. There are reasons some climatic, some sanitary and as chosen people we are to refrain from what GOD declared unclean to separate us from heathen and gentile nations as a peculiar people. Most people have lost their identity not knowing who they are. GOD promised Abraham his seed would be as numerous as the stars, where are they? They were scattered because of their disobedience to GOD and doing the Assyrian captivity the so called 10 lost tribes went over the Caucuses mountains, called Caucasians and has been their identity ever sense.Before Noah it was clean animals after it changed.
Gen 9:1-4
1 And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.
2 And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered.
3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.
4 But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.
Matt 15: 9-11;
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
10 And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand:
11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.
16 And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?
17 Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?
18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
I am a gentile and believe every covenant or command God gave man, man failed and God made new less strict laws and commands and man failed them.1490 BC food laws put into place. Lev 11; these laws are not arbitrary; food plays a chief part in health and sickness, defilement and abominable. Our bodies are the same as they were back in 1490 B.C. just as the unclean animals are still considered unclean today. There are reasons some climatic, some sanitary and as chosen people we are to refrain from what GOD declared unclean to separate us from heathen and gentile nations as a peculiar people. Most people have lost their identity not knowing who they are. GOD promised Abraham his seed would be as numerous as the stars, where are they? They were scattered because of their disobedience to GOD and doing the Assyrian captivity the so called 10 lost tribes went over the Caucuses mountains, called Caucasians and has been their identity ever sense.
Eph 3:6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:I am a gentile and believe every covenant or command God gave man, man failed and God made new less strict laws and commands and man failed them.
Then he sent Jesus whom God gave all power and he was the new Priest and He set new laws and commands.
Heb 7:12
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
We are all of the same body once we believe in Jesus as the Savior and once that happens we are neither jew nor gentile but fellow heirs in Christ under his rule as Matt 28:18 says. One must leave or forget the old law AND live under the LAW JESUS TAUGHTto be a fellow heir in Christ.Eph 3:6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
many member body -all-whom soever will come to Christ are heirs in the kingdom to come.
Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.We are all of the same body once we believe in Jesus as the Savior and once that happens we are neither jew nor gentile but fellow heirs in Christ under his rule as Matt 28:18 says. One must leave or forget the old law AND live under the LAW JESUS TAUGHTto be a fellow heir in Christ.
Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
CHRIST only abolished the blood sacrifice never changing 1 tittle of the law. All has not been fulfilled yet and want until 2nd Advent. Heb. 7 talked about sacrifices were offered up by priest that never really fully washed away mans sin; was talking about sacrifices that never fulfilled anything, CHRIST did with HIS blood, the only thing that could save man, a once and all pure sacrifice. The law was good it was the teacher of sin. It showed us what sin was and without it we would never know what sin was. Just as all those before the law didn't know. Sin in ignorance is no sin. The whole purpose of the blood sacrifice was for man to know that sin will cost. They were to bring the best of their flock to show them the cost of sin. When you have a $200.00 bullock gone for a sin you made, you do not want to keep losing such a prize. The cost of sin got expensive. JESUS paying ultimate price where all we have to do is repent, came at a heavy price. And the only way for salvation of whom so ever will.
Heb 7:26 For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;
Heb 7:27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself
Do you murder? do you steal? these are still laws in most any society and we still follow the laws. This nation was formed under British common law where they took from Biblical laws. We still follow the laws If we are Christian.One can choose to follow Christ or the Law.
If one chooses some Law to follow he will be judged UNDER the Law.
Everywhere in the New Testament the Law is mentioned it is talking about the whole law. As in if one chooses to go by the old Law he is choosing to go by ALL the whole law as per James 2:10. The New restament does not break the Law into Pieces that one can choose a piece to follow.
Two if one believe he needs all or part of the Law to be saved he has no real Faith in Jesus The Christ.
John 5
20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.
22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Rom 3
19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
Gal 3
18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.3:19
Heb 7
18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
Heb 7
12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
One must have full 100% belief and Faith in Christ without the Old Law to be saved. If one needs all or part of the Law to feel aved the are under the Law Not Grace and Faith.
Choosing Christ does not mean we neglect the law. Christ did not come to abolish it but to fulfill it so he could be our substitute. To accept Christ and to continue to live like our old self, having no regards for the law is a big no no. In fact Christ has raised the standard of the law so high that the old law seems to become a new one.One can choose to follow Christ or the Law.
If one chooses some Law to follow he will be judged UNDER the Law.
Everywhere in the New Testament the Law is mentioned it is talking about the whole law. As in if one chooses to go by the old Law he is choosing to go by ALL the whole law as per James 2:10. The New restament does not break the Law into Pieces that one can choose a piece to follow.
Two if one believe he needs all or part of the Law to be saved he has no real Faith in Jesus The Christ.
John 5
20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.
22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Rom 3
19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
Gal 3
18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.3:19
Heb 7
18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
Heb 7
12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
One must have full 100% belief and Faith in Christ without the Old Law to be saved. If one needs all or part of the Law to feel aved the are under the Law Not Grace and Faith.
In another thread, Yeshuaslavejeff wrote this...
It didn't belong in the thread about Christians having tattoos so I thought I would start a new thread about this topic.
I totally disagree with the above quote which is full of errors and in opposition to the New Covenant. Keeping kosher is a rabbinical construct that has no basis in scripture.
To begin with, what food did Abraham serve to the angels that visited his tent? A kid cooked in its mother's milk. There is no greater violation of the kosher law than this, yet the father of believers by faith served this to God's appointees!
In the New Covenant there are no unclean foods and to say that Jesus ate only kosher food is total and absolute nonsense. To prohibit the eating of any food is to put that act under the Law and believers have been set free entirely from that law. Believers are free to eat and drink whatever they want with no restrictions. In Matthew 15:11 Jesus said "What goes into someone's mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them."
All of Matthew 15 is about Jesus explaining why the legalists of his time, the Pharisees, were wrong about God's instructions about people's behavior.
The Pharisees depended upon scrupulously keeping the Law, including Old Testament dietary laws (and the ones they added) yet their legalism caused them to misunderstand God and to miss the Savior when he was right in front of them.
Believers who put themselves under the law as they (mis)understand it are no different. Justification by works is a denial of grace and God's finished work in Christ. We are no longer under the Law. We have been set free in Christ to live by the Spirit
I follow what Jesus taught while on earth and what his disciples taught. Neither said follow the old law. and neither sad to murder or steel or fornicate.Do you murder? do you steal? these are still laws in most any society and we still follow the laws. This nation was formed under British common law where they took from Biblical laws. We still follow the laws If we are Christian.