Did plants come before or after Adam?

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Gen 1:

11 God said, “Let the earth sprout vegetation, plants [H6212] yielding seed, and fruit trees bearing fruit in which is their seed, each according to its kind, on the earth.” And it was so. 12 The earth brought forth vegetation, plants yielding seed according to their own kinds, and trees bearing fruit in which is their seed, each according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening and there was morning, the third day.
Plants showed up on the 3rd day. God created humans on the sixth day (Genesis 1:27).

According to this first account of creation, plants existed before humans.

There was a 2nd account, Genesis 2:

5 No shrub of the field had yet grown on the land, and no plant [H6212] of the field had yet sprouted, for the LORD God had not made it rain on the land, and there was no man to work the ground.
The second account focused on the fields in the Garden of Eden. Plants had been everywhere since Day 3, but there were no shrubs or organized plants in the fields.

6 But water would come out of the ground and water the entire surface of the land. 7 Then the LORD God formed the man out of the dust from the ground and breathed the breath of life into his nostrils, and the man became a living being.
God created man on Day 6. In the 2nd account, the man was mentioned in connection to the garden.

8 And the LORD God planted a garden in Eden, in the east, and there he put the man whom he had formed. 9 And out of the ground the LORD God made to spring up every tree that is pleasant to the sight and good for food. The tree of life was in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
God planted special shrubs, plants, and trees for Adam and Eve in the garden.

Did plants come before or after Adam?

On Day 3, God created general plants everywhere. On Day 6, God provided special species of plants in the Garden of Eden.
 

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Gen 1:


Plants showed up on the 3rd day. God created humans on the sixth day (Genesis 1:27).
So then God made mankind after plants.

By contrast in Gen 2 - "the details added" to the Gen 1 account
1. have no days.
2. have no air
3. have no sun
4. have no moon
5. have no fish
6. have no birds


Obviously then it is not a "replacement" for the Gen 1-2:4 information already given (and there are no chapters in the actual text) rather it is expansion of details that fit INTO the Gen 1-2:4 "creation account"

There is no delete-previous-chapter-and-start-over hermeneutic known to mankind for the Bible. No sense in trying to come up with such a thing now.
According to this first account of creation, plants existed before humans.
There is only one.

Unless you are proposing hat today we
1. have no days.
2. have no air
3. have no sun
4. have no moon
5. have no fish
6. have no birds
 
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On Day 3, God created general plants everywhere. On Day 6, God provided special species of plants in the Garden of Eden.

I used to believe what you stated above until I was corrected by the language experts and Scholars that translate Scripture with precision and accuracy.

Simply put, in order to make your statement correct, a series of alterations to the original Hebrew must take place to ensure that the initial conditions of the Creation Account align with your theory. That is a big no-no as far as any Scholar is concerned.

One alteration is to change the word 'day' in Genesis 2:4 to something that is completely nonliteral and made up...

Genesis 2:4
"These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens."


The day that the Earth and Heavens were finished and ready for its first form of life is the Third Day. So, to make your 'Farm of Eden' theory work, the verse must be altered to say...

Genesis 2:4
"These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the [SIX DAYS] that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens."


Moreover, an assumption must be made that Genesis 2:4 is also referring to all of the:
  • Plants
  • Trees
  • Animals
  • Fowl
  • Creeping Things
  • Fish
  • Whales
  • etc.
...existing beforehand, even though the verse clearly does not state that. None of those are mentioned. So, once again, Genesis 2:4 must be altered to make your theory work...

Genesis 2:4
"These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth [and the plants, and the trees, and the animals, and the fowl, and the creeping things, and the fish, and the whales, etc.] when they were created, in the [SIX DAYS] that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens [and the plants, and the trees, and the animals, and the fowl, and the creeping things, and the fish, and the whales, etc.]"


Obviously, that is an unacceptable way to interpret the verse. Even if the word 'day' referred to more than one day, the problem of adding all of the additional plants, trees, animals, etc. to the original text is still there.

As a side note, if you were to debate historians, evolutionists, etc., you will have a tough time selling the idea that Man immediately had access to domesticated food and animals from the beginning, since they will argue that many plants and animals were domesticated much later.

Your next hurdle, which you already have a debatable solution to, is that you are now competing with alternative translations that are contrary to your theory...

Genesis 2:5 (New Living Translation)
"Neither wild plants nor grains were growing on the earth. For the LORD God had not yet sent rain to water the earth, and there were no people to cultivate the soil."


You will always have to defend your translation from this moment on to explain why your translation contradicts other translations such as the above example.

Your absolute biggest error is translating Genesis 2:17 improperly...

Genesis 2:17
"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."


You will either have to change 'day' to something non-literal or you will have to violate all kinds of translational rules, hermeneutics, exegesis, etc., and alter the phrase 'surely die' to mean something it does not (e.g., spiritual death).

If you really care about precision and listening to Scholars as you often boast, then I would suggest you look at this study here...

Finally, to interpret Genesis 2:17 as announcing natural consequences instead of a juridical penalty ignores the overwhelming biblical evidence of how authors used the phrase in question throughout the Old Testament. As such, the natural consequences interpretation seems to establish human arbiters as higher authorities than the text to determine its truthfulness and relevance. Scripture no longer interprets Scripture. How the pastor handles texts like Genesis 2:17 remains vital to maintaining a ministry faithful to the authority of Scripture and that properly disciples the church members in their walk with God.


Here is another Scholar articulating all of the errors in your interpretation of Genesis 2:17...



If we keep going, we discover more problems like animals being created after Man...

Genesis 2:18
"And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him."


Man was alone. This means there were no animals that existed yet. God makes animals in the next verse to solve the problem...

Genesis 2:19 (New Living Translation)
"So the LORD God formed from the ground all the wild animals and all the birds of the sky. He brought them to the man to see what he would call them, and the man chose a name for each one."


Once again you are back to having to alter the text (e.g. 'had formed') to make it fit your theory.

It is not just plants that is the issue here.

How will you explain that Man was alone while surrounded by animals? How will you explain that the solution of Man being alone while surrounded by animals was to create more animals? That does not make sense!

Anyhow, the Simple Minded may be fooled by phrases like "Genesis 1 and 2 don't contradict", but those that have studied these issues in depth know better...

The overlapping stories of Genesis 1 and 2 are contradictory but also complementary, with the first (the Priestly story) concerned with the creation of the entire cosmos while the second (the Jahwist story) focuses on man as moral agent and cultivator of his environment.


Are you able to prove them wrong @tonychanyt ? Put your money where your mouth is and let us see how you handle it.
 
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According to this first account of creation, plants existed before humans.
We have to have something to eat. Actually plants or something created the oxygen that we breath. God created Adam from the dust or soil. But we do eat dust, we eat plants that grow in the dust. Musk wants to live on Mars even though there is nothing there to sustain life.
 
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The day that the Earth and Heavens were finished and ready for its first form of life is the Third Day.
God was not finished until the end of the sixth day when he entered into a day of rest. He created the earth without form and void on the first day. Science tells us that first day was 8 billion years between the beginning of the universe and the beginning of the earth. But we were there in the beginning with God and have always existed as long as there was a universe. Even if we were just helium, hydrogen and lithium in the beginning. That still eventually became us. There had to be something for God to breath life into.
 
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Man was alone. This means there were no animals that existed yet.
That is not what that means. Everything in Genesis is a comparison. Light and dark, day and night water and dry land. On the sixth or last day man and women. Just as we are the bride and Jesus is the bride groom. All because Eve was deceived. But Adam was not deceived. Yet another comparison. He was alone because he needed a counterpart. In this case a women.
  • The creation of woman fulfills the need for companionship, partnership, and mutual support.
 
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The day that the Earth and Heavens were finished and ready for its first form of life is the Third Day.
God made the earth on the first day. Is was not finished. That is why the first day had to be 8 billion years. The earth is 4.5 billion years and the universe (Heavens) is 13 billion years. 13 minus 4.5 is 8.5. The math works out better if you say day one was 8 billion, day two was 4 billion day 3 was two billion and so on. Then the events in the Bible line up with science.

God had a long discussion with Job about all of this.

Job 38:4 "Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding."
 
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