Conservatives are a failure

[rjs330]

I do think conservatives have been very late to the party. For far too long they were focused mostly on the financial aspects of government that they neglected the social aspects. Meanwhile the left focused in everything. They also went after the schools know if they could turn education they would start pumping out good leftists from the education system which would also alter the financial aspects.

It's what they set out to do back in the 30s when they realized that the education system still taught kids a strong constitutional education and civics.

It worked.

And now they are moving even more rapidly with the social agenda. Conservatives are now fighting back and in some cases they have learned form the left and are using their own tactics against them. Not ideal by any stretch. It's kinda how we got Trump.

And I think we are getting a new kind of conservative that is coming onto the scene with a different mindset of defeating the left. Sometimes thats good and sometimes it's not. But one thing that cannot b said is that they are doing anything worse.

 

[stevevw]

Conservatives have fallen asleep at the wheel for the last decades while the left walked into all the institutions (including the church and military) and now today the left and postmodernism is pervasive everywhere and it seems too far gone, and conservatives and Christians have to tolerate it. Now it's even reaching into many areas that were previously conservative.

Luckily in the end nature and reality come home to roost and silly ideas don't last and are eventually exposed for what they are incoherent and unreal. We are beginning to see this now with the reality of Leftist policies being applied in real life situations.

Take gender ideology which is now being exposed as unscientific. Though there is still a small number of professionals pushing the idea. But now those who seem to know best are backing away from the Trans care model to a therapy based one which should have been the case all along as we know this approach works from decades of research.

Then theres the 'Go Woke and Go Broke' where big corps like Budlight and Gillette are abandoned by their traditional long term customers because of their Wokeness.

Look at the Lefts policies on immigration and open borders. Now we are seeing record numbers of refugees coming into Western nations, unvetted and increasing numbers held in temporary camps which is humane.

Then there is the climate change ideology where extremist try to punish the average person for percieved wrongs generations ago by closing down cities which only makes people angry at them rather than about the issue at hand.

Or how they make unreal claims and demands like the world is going to end in 5 years if we don't completely stop carbon emissions now. They are quite happy to make people suffer with high energy costs and financial hardship which actually causes harm based on an ideology similar to how religion does.

Then theres the radical ideas like decriminalizing drugs such as in Leftist Canada where there has been a 2,000% spike in addiction with record numbers of overdose deaths and the crime and devastation that goes with that such as homelessness and mental illness.

Add to this the social justice warriors who push kids rights over all else where now adolescents are out of control and ruling the roost and defunding of police where criminals are blantantly flaunting the law knowing there is little consequence.

Or the Critical Race theorist and Marxist who want to moralise about certain people according to the colour of their skin or gender being bad along with the entire history of the West which ironically has allowed them to protest in the first place through freedoms and you begin to see why an ideology that attacks its own people, its own culture and divides people along identity is not going to last. Mainly because it creates the very thing it claims to be wanting to eliminate.

Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. People see through the lies. Crazy and unreal ideas bring crazy and unreal outcomes and reality and nature have a way of coming back to remind us that you can't defy it. Like most unreal trends they die out because they are unreal and cannot last scrutiny. But unfortunately we still may have a way to go because the ideology has deep roots in our institutions.

 

[Truth7t7]

An interesting equivocation. There are plenty of conservatives who aren't Christian and plenty of Christians who aren't conservative.
Just an FYI.

I find that hard to believe, as I find the Christian conservative opposes homosexuality in same sex marriage, and killing the innocent unborn abortion, would a Spirit filled Christian support such?

 

[rjs330]

But unfortunately we still may have a way to go because the ideology has deep roots in our institutions.

Yes that IS the big hurdle. Leftism has deep roots in the institutions, and the biggest problems are the universities and colleges. They are the one that are indoctrinating the kids who then take that ideology to their work places. Including the primary schools. All the teachers from pre K-12 have all been educated in these leftist bastions. Which then leads to educating the children. So now we have kids being educated from the moment t they enter school to the time they leave in leftist ideology.

If conservatives want an opportunity to make a difference. We need to start getting conservative people to step up and get into teaching. I don't know how you do that. But I think we need to try. The leftists did it.

 

[Hans Blaster]

I find that hard to believe, as I find the Christian conservative opposes homosexuality in same sex marriage, and killing the innocent unborn abortion, would a Spirit filled Christian support such?

It seems like you already believe there are non-conservative Christians as you would not have qualified this description so.

(I don't think the amount of spirts they consume is related to how liberal or conservative they are.)

 

[FenderTL5]

I find that hard to believe, as I find the Christian conservative opposes homosexuality in same sex marriage, and killing the innocent unborn abortion, would a Spirit filled Christian support such?

Do you not think it possible that a Christian can believe that homosexuality and abortion have no place in their sphere of influence, yet at the same time favor fair wages and taxation, addressing income inequality, health care reform, support for social security and strong public education and infrastructure.

The fact is, regardless of the public policy on homosexuality; I'm not threatened by it. However, I can be guaranteed that I will be in need of health care, that I can't afford, at some time in the future.
The conservative Horse and sparrow, supply-side, neoliberal economics of the last 40~ years have been more detrimental to families than the social issues in my opinion. Nor have those polices been fiscally conservative at all.

 

[Truth7t7]

Do you not think it possible that a Christian can believe that homosexuality and abortion have no place in their sphere of influence, yet at the same time favor fair wages and taxation, addressing income inequality, health care reform, support for social security and strong public education and infrastructure.

The fact is, regardless of the public policy on homosexuality; I'm not threatened by it. However, I can be guaranteed that I will be in need of health care, that I can't afford, at some time in the future.
The conservative Horse and sparrow, supply-side, neoliberal economics of the last 40~ years have been more detrimental to families than the social issues in my opinion. Nor have those polices been fiscally conservative at all.

You describe the blue collared working man that has been left behind by the progressive democratic liberal agenda

I find it impossible as a Christian to endorse a president that supports, and defends, killing the innocent unborn (Abortion)

 

[stevevw]

Yes that IS the big hurdle. Leftism has deep roots in the institutions, and the biggest problems are the universities and colleges. They are the one that are indoctrinating the kids who then take that ideology to their work places. Including the primary schools. All the teachers from pre K-12 have all been educated in these leftist bastions. Which then leads to educating the children. So now we have kids being educated from the moment t they enter school to the time they leave in leftist ideology.

If conservatives want an opportunity to make a difference. We need to start getting conservative people to step up and get into teaching. I don't know how you do that. But I think we need to try. The leftists did it.

I don't think we have to wait that long. Its about exposing the lies and sticking to the truth and reality. Not going along and standing up to it. Like how Budlight customers sent a strong message to big corps. Like parents who make a stand in parent teacher meetings, like the laws being implemented to stop this being taught in kids schools and audits of materials to weed out the inappropriate materials being taught.

But also through edoing exactly the same thing the Woke is doing by getting on social media to promote the truth and reality, to show the counter narratives of people effected by the ideology. Creating more spaces where people can express the truth without being cancelled. People only take so much and then they start to fight back especially when it comes to kids.

What we are seeing today is the result of a slow march from the 90s. It exploded into mainstream society only about 10 years ago but mostly in the last 5 years through social media especially with Covid where people were stuck at home and their worlde became the internet.

But I think just as rapidly as this ideology came it will quickly be exposed. Most people don't really understand an go along because they hear words like equality, Rights ect and believe its all nobel. But as the reality of the ideology begins to be lived out, in womens sports, at work, in health and law where everyday people are being cancelled and suffering consequences people will soon see the reality. This is beginning to happen now.

 

[FenderTL5]

You describe the blue collared working man that has been left behind by the progressive democratic liberal agenda

Neoliberalism has nothing to do with a progressive democratic liberal agenda.

I find it impossible as a Christian to endorse a president that supports, and defends, killing the innocent unborn (Abortion)

I know the sentiment. I abhor even the thought of abortion. Don't get one.
Many Christians vote against matters of fiscal and economic responsibility, deny millions healthcare, and support policies (politicians) that would reduce or even eliminate social security because they are single issue voters. That one issue is often abortion.
Yet at the same time they will get abortions.
seven in 10 women who had an abortion identified themselves as Christian. Breaking that down, Catholic women represented 27 percent; Protestant, 26 percent; and nondenominational, 15 percent. - Lifeway (SBC) study

The hypocrisy is astounding. This is playing out before our eyes, even in conservative states where anti-abortion views reign - referendums banning abortions are failing. Why, because when the rubber hits the road, conservatives only say they are against abortion.
If you want abortions to end, don't get one.

 

[Truth7t7]

I don't think we have to wait that long. Its about exposing the lies and sticking to the truth and reality. Not going along and standing up to it. Like how Budlight customers sent a strong message to big corps. Like parents who make a stand in parent teacher meetings, like the laws being implemented to stop this being taught in kids schools and audits of materials to weed out the inappropriate materials being taught.

But also through edoing exactly the same thing the Woke is doing by getting on social media to promote the truth and reality, to show the counter narratives of people effected by the ideology. Creating more spaces where people can express the truth without being cancelled. People only take so much and then they start to fight back especially when it comes to kids.

What we are seeing today is the result of a slow march from the 90s. It exploded into mainstream society only about 10 years ago but mostly in the last 5 years through social media especially with Covid where people were stuck at home and their worlde became the internet.

But I think just as rapidly as this ideology came it will quickly be exposed. Most people don't really understand an go along because they hear words like equality, Rights ect and believe its all nobel. But as the reality of the ideology begins to be lived out, in womens sports, at work, in health and law where everyday people are being cancelled and suffering consequences people will soon see the reality. This is beginning to happen now.

Exactly 100% Correct

The liberal woke agenda is on the exit Godspeed, just let's you see who controls the Media

The recent US Supreme Court ruling was a major victory for the conservative voice, Colorado made laws trying to push this agenda down on conservatives and it failed, the web designer didn't have to participate in something against her belief, this was a "Broad Ruling" and will affect many other scenarios on the woke agenda being pushed on society

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[Truth7t7]

Neoliberalism has nothing to do with a progressive democratic liberal agenda.

I know the sentiment. I abhor even the thought of abortion. Don't get one.
Many Christians vote against matters of fiscal and economic responsibility, deny millions healthcare, and support policies (politicians) that would reduce or even eliminate social security because they are single issue voters. That one issue is often abortion.
Yet at the same time they will get abortions.
seven in 10 women who had an abortion identified themselves as Christian. Breaking that down, Catholic women represented 27 percent; Protestant, 26 percent; and nondenominational, 15 percent. - Lifeway (SBC) study

The hypocrisy is astounding. This is playing out before our eyes, even in conservative states where anti-abortion views reign - referendums banning abortions are failing. Why, because when the rubber hits the road, conservatives only say they are against abortion.

You don't know who I am, I oppose Murder of any human being, including the innocent unborn (Abortion)

I wouldn't even consider voting for any representative that supported killing the innocent unborn, out of the question

If you call that a single issue voter then I'm one of them, and it ain't changing anytime soon

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[Matt5]

Conservatives have fallen asleep at the wheel for the last decades while the left walked into all the institutions (including the church and military) and now today the left and postmodernism is pervasive everywhere and it seems too far gone, and conservatives and Christians have to tolerate it. Now it's even reaching into many areas that were previously conservative.

The problem is the rise of "equality." It's championed by women. This heavily infects churches too.

Women are able to throw their weight around via the vote. Women out vote men because of two primary reasons:

1. More women equals more votes.
2. More men at the top and bottom of societies equals split votes.

Given enough time, when women can vote they will always take over. Welcome to Barbieland, Ken.

At this point there is no going back. We're going where we're going. And it's not going to be pretty.

 

[Fantine]

Yes part of it may be being asleep in the past as to how bad things could really get, but there's another thing - the idea of "fighting dirty". The conservative mind is by its very nature opposed to cheating and fighting dirty, whereas the Leftist mind is all about that, and really about nothing else. If you're facing a guy in a street fight and you're going to follow some rules, and he's not going to follow any rules, you're probably going to lose. It's a tough conundrum for conservatism.

Conservatives tend to foster a very unhealthy individualism. Healthy societies realize that we are all connected and need to work for the common good.

And as far as "cheating" goes it's not the liberals in my community who have BMWs with bumper stickers saying "abolish the IRS."

 

[FenderTL5]

You don't know who I am..
If you call that a single issue voter then I'm one of them, and it ain't changing anytime soon

I don't know you. However I can read that you just openly admitted that healthcare, social security, infrastructure, the nations's economy and taxes.. etc mean nothing to you as long as abortion gets mentioned.
When it comes to abortion and/or homosexuality you have a choice. You can participate or not, regardless of public policy. If you oppose abortion, don't get one. Even if every house on your street were occupied by a homosexual couple, you can still choose otherwise. One can adhere to their Christian, moral, religious conviction(s) at will. What a politician says has no impact on your decision(s).

On the other items I listed, if you are an American, you have no choice. You participate one way or the other. At some point all of us, you, I, and everyone else will participate in the US healthcare system, its economic engine, its taxation, its infrastructure etc.
When it comes to politics and voting, I have yet to see a politician that checks all of the boxes on my personal list. Therefore, I priorotize issues that have the most impact on all of us.

 

[iluvatar5150]

The problem is the rise of "equality." It's championed by women. This heavily infects churches too.

Women are able to throw their weight around via the vote. Women out vote men because of two primary reasons:

1. More women equals more votes.
2. More men at the top and bottom of societies equals split votes.

Given enough time, when women can vote they will always take over. Welcome to Barbieland, Ken.

At this point there is no going back. We're going where we're going. And it's not going to be pretty.

You say that as if it’s a bad thing.

 

[Truth7t7]

Conservatives tend to foster a very unhealthy individualism. Healthy societies realize that we are all connected and need to work for the common good.

And as far as "cheating" goes it's not the liberals in my community who have BMWs with bumper stickers saying "abolish the IRS."

What is the common good?

To me the common good is salvation in Jesus and eternal life, could that be the common good?

 

[Truth7t7]

Conservatives tend to foster a very unhealthy individualism. Healthy societies realize that we are all connected and need to work for the common good.

And as far as "cheating" goes it's not the liberals in my community who have BMWs with bumper stickers saying "abolish the IRS."

"Individualism" is Healthy

It's "Group Think" that's Unhealthy, Communism is built on "Group Think", a system that's a bankrupt failure

 

[Truth7t7]

I don't know you. However I can read that you just openly admitted that healthcare, social security, infrastructure, the nations's economy and taxes.. etc mean nothing to you as long as abortion gets mentioned.
When it comes to abortion and/or homosexuality you have a choice. You can participate or not, regardless of public policy. If you oppose abortion, don't get one. Even if every house on your street were occupied by a homosexual couple, you can still choose otherwise. One can adhere to their Christian, moral, religious conviction(s) at will. What a politician says has no impact on your decision(s).

On the other items I listed, if you are an American, you have no choice. You participate one way or the other. At some point all of us, you, I, and everyone else will participate in the US healthcare system, its economic engine, its taxation, its infrastructure etc.
When it comes to politics and voting, I have yet to see a politician that checks all of the boxes on my personal list. Therefore, I priorotize issues that have the most impact on all of us.

And once again, I will never vote for a representative that supports and defends killing the innocent unborn (Abortion)

You may have another opinion, and it definitely doesn't apply to me

Killing the innocent unborn (Abortion) is murder in the 1st degree, how any person could put the economy, taxes, Healthcare, above legalized murder is beyond me

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[stevevw]

Exactly 100% Correct

The liberal woke agenda is on the exit Godspeed, just let's you see who controls the Media

The recent US Supreme Court ruling was a major victory for the conservative voice, Colorado made laws trying to push this agenda down on conservatives and it failed, the web designer didn't have to participate in something against her belief, this was a "Broad Ruling" and will affect many other scenarios on the woke agenda being pushed on society

Jesus Is The Lord

Lets hope things don't go too far the other way though. What I have noticed in recent years is a polarizing of positions. It seems every action has an equal and opposite reaction. With the extreme progressive policies and ideologies being pusheed there has been a rise in extreme Right ideologies as well. The rise of extreme nationalists groups.

I remember a time when parties were more in the middle and agreed on a lot more. Usually this resulted in what was best for the nation aned not one side. In fact there was a time when it was pretty hard to tell which party was which as they both took on each others ideas to some extent. But I think there was a genuine belief in politics where most were acting in gooed faith and being servants to the nation. There were great leaders who wanted the best for everyone.

Now its all career politics, back room deals, big corps getting involved, dirty money, wasting money, pushing ideologies. Partly I think because people have lost faith in the major parties and smaller parties have gained power to push their radical ideas like the Greens and other nationalists.

We need to scrap the whole system and maybe go back to local government with local issues and involve the voters in what is happening. People with life experience, some common sense and decency.

 

[Truth7t7]

Lets hope things don't go too far the other way though. What I have noticed in recent years is a polarizing of positions. It seems every action has an equal and opposite reaction. With the extreme progressive policies and ideologies being pusheed there has been a rise in extreme Right ideologies as well. The rise of extreme nationalists groups.

I remember a time when parties were more in the middle and agreed on a lot more. Usually this resulted in what was best for the nation aned not one side. In fact there was a time when it was pretty hard to tell which party was which as they both took on each others ideas to some extent. But I think there was a genuine belief in politics where most were acting in gooed faith and being servants to the nation. There were great leaders who wanted the best for everyone.

Now its all career politics, back room deals, big corps getting involved, dirty money, wasting money, pushing ideologies. Partly I think because people have lost faith in the major parties and smaller parties have gained power to push their radical ideas like the Greens and other nationalists.

We need to scrap the whole system and maybe go back to local government with local issues and involve the voters in what is happening. People with life experience, some common sense and decency.

I thank God we have a US Supreme Court "Conservative" super majority, it's going to be a solid decade+ of conservative decisions handed down, it's about time, can't wait to see the liberal agenda, built for the past 50 years "Disappear"